The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!

[Lyall]

If it walks like a duck stephen

It quacks like a xenophobe? >@@(*&)

[stephen25000]

It quacks like a xenophobe? >@@(*&)

You got it in one.

[Eleanor]

It quacks like a xenophobe? >@@(*&)

Which will no doubt explain why I live in France in preference to UK.

[Lyall]

Which will no doubt explain why I live in France in preference to UK.

Nice. Great country.

[Eleanor]

Nice. Great country.

Thank you.  It is.  And the people are lovely.

[Lyall]

Thank you.  It is.  And the people are lovely.

And the French police?

[Angelo222]

An apology.

I publicly rebuked and censured Sadie yesterday when I should not have done so.  Publicly that is. Sorry Sadie.

[stephen25000]

As a brief reminder, if one be needed, as regards the treatment of Cipriano,

 'both a prison officer and a doctor both say the bruising was not consistent with what they saw on her return'.

[Eleanor]

And the French police?

In my limited experience, perfect gentlemen, young and old alike.  And I know no one to say otherwise.

[Mr Gray]

As a brief reminder, if one be needed, as regards the treatment of Cipriano,

 'both a prison officer and a doctor both say the bruising was not consistent with what they saw on her return'.

It was proved in court Stephen..and why did the pj say she had fallen down the stairs

[Eleanor]

It was proved in court Stephen..and why did the pj say she had fallen down the stairs

Because they were trying to lie their way out of Torture, and explain the bruises.  Although not sure how falling downstairs was going to explain the scars on her knees from kneeling on glass ashtrays.

[Montclair]

Because they were trying to lie their way out of Torture, and explain the bruises.  Although not sure how falling downstairs was going to explain the scars on her knees from kneeling on glass ashtrays.

IIRC, the court did not state that it was the PJ who tortured Leonor but they were persons unknown. The strange thing is that the Ministério Público has not to this day initiated any kind of investigation to find out who these "persons unknown" were.

[Carana]

There is the rub. There's no DVD for this case, so you have to collect copies of the documents at the MP in Portimao.
I don't see how you can progress reasonably in this case another way.
Bypassing this step you're condemned to speculations that, according to what I read on this thread, are curiously all directed towards an abduction of Joana disguised in murder by criminal police officers. I don't think it's fair.

All I can follow is the Supreme Court (which presumably has had access to the court documents). I still haven't found anything that could prove that the child even got home that night.

[Eleanor]

IIRC, the court did not state that it was the PJ who tortured Leonor but they were persons unknown. The strange thing is that the Ministério Público has not to this day initiated any kind of investigation to find out who these "persons unknown" were.

So why did Amaral lie about her falling downstairs?  Or are you saying that he didn't know what happened or who done it?

[Mr Gray]

IIRC, the court did not state that it was the PJ who tortured Leonor but they were persons unknown. The strange thing is that the Ministério Público has not to this day initiated any kind of investigation to find out who these "persons unknown" were.

 yes they did...and heres another one by prison officers

•The Court of Appeal in Lisbon ordered a retrial in the case of Albino Libânio, who was assaulted by prison officers in Lisbon Prison in 2003. The Court granted a request by Albino Libânio's lawyers for the Portuguese state to be named as a defendant. The decision was made on the grounds that, as his injuries occurred while he was in the care of the prison system, the state should be held liable even if it was impossible to prove which prison officers were responsible for the attack. The original trial had recognized the injuries suffered by Albino Libânio but acquitted all seven prison officers of assault because of lack of evidence proving their responsibility. A new trial date had not been set at the end of the year.