No abduction? So what if the e-fits were suppressed for 5 years ?

[Jazzy]

It was me that mentioned agenda and said I didn't know exactly what it was, though Gerry obviously does.
It has since  been seized on by others as a distraction from the thread.

Not at all. You said:

Re: No abduction? So what if the e-fits were suppressed for 5 years ?
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The only reason I can think of is that they were considered, for whatever reason, to be unhelpful to the McCann agenda.

I asked what agenda? I'll add, why do you assume there is an agenda?

[jassi]

Not at all. You said:

Re: No abduction? So what if the e-fits were suppressed for 5 years ?
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The only reason I can think of is that they were considered, for whatever reason, to be unhelpful to the McCann agenda.

I asked what agenda? I'll add, why do you assume there is an agenda?

I know what I said , and admitted that I wasn't sure what it was, but they certainly have one, as is demonstrated by the flip chart. I don't know Gerry and cannot get inside his head. Satisfied ?

[Jazzy]

The "Wider Agenda" for the campaign to find a missing child, the specifics and beyond.  It had nothing to do with Gerry, it was the organisation of the search.

By the way, bit weak, the silly photo was posted after you posted.

[Benice]

I know what I said , and admitted that I wasn't sure what it was, but they certainly have one, as is demonstrated by the flip chart. I don't know Gerry and cannot get inside his head. Satisfied ?

It can hardly be a 'sinister' agenda, otherwise surely he would not have wanted to have his photograph taken with it?

[AnneGuedes]

Can't have it both ways on Tanner's invisibility. Either she was present to give Gerry McCann an alibi (if you are saying the sighting was fabricated), or she wasn't.

If Gerry was using Jane to fabricate an alibi for himself, they would have got their stories straight. He wouldn't have said that his key witness wasn't even in the street at the time!

And re Smith,  please see my recent reply to icabod. Kate invokes the Smith sighting as a defense for the abduction theory - not a contradiction to it.

No, SH, I'm not saying the sighting was fabricated and I even think Ms Tanner saw a Tannerman who wasn't Innocentman, but not where and when she said she did.
I can't believe Innocentman walked all the way from the creche carrying the child as Ms Tanner described.
I'm sure there was no kind of previous plot or silence pact. The members of the group had some "natural" common interests.
Come on, SH ! The McCanns learnt about Smithman in the beginning of June 2007. Though in June 2007 Mr Smith had not yet found Smithman was Gerrylike, their first and twisted acknowledgement of this sighting was only two years later.

Edited to correct a serious mistake

[AnneGuedes]

As for Gerry's being witnessed at the table at the time the alarm was being raised, and when the Smith sighting took place - whether or not all the exact times have been established -  even if there are no witnesses to this outside T7, there are clearly many witnesses to the fact that Gerry was in and around the complex between 10 and 11. There is no way Gerry could have hidden Madeleine and returned to the complex in a short enough space of time for his presence not have been missed by several people involved in the ensuing situation. This has been discussed at length as well.

It's not as clear as that, SH. A waiter saw him leave the table for 30 minutes.
Nobody knows where Mr McCann was just after the alarm. Mrs Webster didn't see him near the pool nor in the flat 5 minutes later.

[pathfinder73]

Nor Fiona Payne. Matt, Dave and Russ split up and went searching. Gerry is MIA.

[Wonderfulspam]

It's not as clear as that, SH. A waiter saw him leave the table for 30 minutes.
Nobody knows where Mr McCann was just after the alarm. Mrs Webster didn't see him near the pool nor in the flat 5 minutes later.

Add to that, the evidence of collusion in the form of the sticker book & the typed group statement, all their statements/evidence are not independent & immediately questionable.
The only independent witnesses to the alleged abduction are the Smith family.

"they didn't check on them like they afterwards declared they did"
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id136.html

 i.e, they lied in their witness statements so their account of the truth cannot be considered an entirely truthful account.

[Redblossom]

Depending on where you read, and who you choose to believe, those efits were passed to the police. The Mccanns paid for them.  They paid for the investigation at that point. Why would they enter into such a thing if it had to potential to find their child, if they didn't want her found?

Point to one named source that has said they were passed to the police......they dont exist.....why not?

[Jazzy]

Point to one named source that has said they were passed to the police......they dont exist.....why not?

Unlike others I don't obsessively store links, there was a newspaper article the day after the Times, stating they were passed on to the police years ago.

Before you start shrieking for your "evidence" try google, it usually works for me.

[Redblossom]

Unlike others I don't obsessively store links, there was a newspaper article the day after the Times, stating they were passed on to the police years ago.

Before you start shrieking for your "evidence" try google, it usually works for me.

so not one named source, thanks

Edited spello

[Jazzy]

so not one named source, thanks

Edited spello

Not one I could be bothered to look for for you. As I said Google is usually very handy for things like that.

[icabodcrane]

Not one I could be bothered to look for for you. As I said Google is usually very handy for things like that.

There is no  'named source'  who said the e fits were passed to the police 

[Jazzy]

There is no  'named source'  who said the e fits were passed to the police

Have a little go on Google.

[icabodcrane]

Have a little go on Google.

I have

You have posted something that is not true

There is no  'named source'  who said the e fits were passed to the police