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AnneGuedes

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Offline Jazzy

Re: No abduction? So what if the e-fits were suppressed for 5 years ?
« Reply #46 on: November 02, 2013, 04:18:58 PM »
It was "trashed" by Ms Tanner thanks to her implausible invisible presence, then by the PJ because of the implausible presence of two mutually ignorant protagonists on either side of a bedroom door, then by Mr McCann pretending to have been on the other side of the street. However, in spite of all Tannerman's comic adventures, the McCanns sticked to it fearlessly and fearlessly as well ignored Smithman.

Why is it your aim to call the Mccanns, their friends and anyone supportive of them liars over and over Anne? Do you know any of them personally? Have they ever caused you any harm?

AnneGuedes

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Re: No abduction? So what if the e-fits were suppressed for 5 years ?
« Reply #47 on: November 02, 2013, 04:19:41 PM »
the machinations of the AG or anyone else.
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Offline Luz

Re: No abduction? So what if the e-fits were suppressed for 5 years ?
« Reply #48 on: November 02, 2013, 04:21:22 PM »
Since you saw fit to reply, I'll ask you: What agenda?


Ask GERRY, Jazzy!




I guess he will be fitter to answer than the dogs he sent Sandra Felgueiras to ask about his daughter.
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Offline Jazzy

Re: No abduction? So what if the e-fits were suppressed for 5 years ?
« Reply #49 on: November 02, 2013, 04:23:32 PM »

Ask GERRY, Jazzy!



Here's the thing, Luz, I don't know Gerry, so asking him what his agenda, apart from find his missing child isn't really an option, is it?

What do you assume his agenda is?

(No more silly pictures either, please)

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: No abduction? So what if the e-fits were suppressed for 5 years ?
« Reply #50 on: November 02, 2013, 04:23:52 PM »
It was "trashed" by Ms Tanner thanks to her implausible invisible presence, then by the PJ because of the implausible presence of two mutually ignorant protagonists on either side of a bedroom door, then by Mr McCann pretending to have been on the other side of the street. However, in spite of all Tannerman's comic adventures, the McCanns sticked to it fearlessly and fearlessly as well ignored Smithman.

Add to that, the evidence of collusion in the form of the sticker book & the typed group statement, all their statements/evidence are not independent & immediately questionable.
The only independent witnesses to the alleged abduction are the Smith family.
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Offline Jazzy

Re: No abduction? So what if the e-fits were suppressed for 5 years ?
« Reply #51 on: November 02, 2013, 04:25:43 PM »
Add to that, the evidence of collusion in the form of the sticker book & the typed group statement, all their statements/evidence are not independent & immediately questionable.
The only independent witnesses to the alleged abduction are the Smith family.

Still good enough for the PJ and SY to open a new investigation and say neither the Mccanns or their friends are persons of interest to them.

icabodcrane

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Re: No abduction? So what if the e-fits were suppressed for 5 years ?
« Reply #52 on: November 02, 2013, 04:35:13 PM »
Still good enough for the PJ and SY to open a new investigation and say neither the Mccanns or their friends are persons of interest to them.

This mantra seems a bit silly to me

I mean,  what would you  'expect'  Scotland Yard to say if the McCanns and their friends    were  'persons of interest'   ?    ...  do you think they'd  announce that, knowing the furore it would cause  ? 

I can't help wondering what Redwood and his team thought when they found out that the McCanns had hidden Exton's report and e fits 

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: No abduction? So what if the e-fits were suppressed for 5 years ?
« Reply #53 on: November 02, 2013, 04:35:52 PM »
We are being asked to discuss why the McCanns would suppress the e fits if there had  been no abduction   (  that the abduction had,  in fact,  been  'staged' by them in order to cover up their daughter's death  ?  )

It's a good question

You'd think,  wouldn't you,  that if that was the case, the McCanns would want as many  'abductor sightings'  as possible

So what could the motive be for keeping the information hidden for so long   ?

Well,  I suppose we need to look at what the McCanns did  not  keep quiet about  ...  The Tanner sighting

That sighting was not only heavily and consistantly pushed by the McCanns,  it was,  in fact,  the entire basis of their abduction theory

Jane Tanner  saw the abductor making off with Madeleine at 9.10pm  we have relentlessly been told ...  and,  as an aside,  we were advised that the man the Smiths saw was almost certainly the  same  man

Assuming that there  was  no abduction  ( and assuming that the McCanns had staged the crime )  I would say that there would be  a very  good reason for  the Tanner sighting  being pushed so hard  ... quite simply,   it gave Gerry an airtight alibi

Which brings us to the Smith sighting.  Henri Exton advised the McCanns that this evidence was more credible than Tanner's.  He  obtained  the e fits  and suggested they be released immediatly

The McCanns rejected his advice  and  took legal action to ensure Exton's confidentiality on the matter

Again, assuming that there  was no abduction  ( and assuming that the McCanns had staged the crime )  I would say  that  there would be a very good reason for the Smith sighting  not  being pushed hard   ...  quite simply,  Gerry  had  no alibi

It's something we have discussed frequently on the forum,  and,  despite  many attempts to confuse the issue,  the simple truth is that no-one,  other than his chums,  claimed to have seen  Gerry at the time the Smiths made their sighting  ...  not a single independent witness 

Not only that,  there has always been some doubt about the time the alarm was actually raised,  with a couple of witnesses claiming the alert was given considerably earlier than the 10.05pm claimed by the McCanns  (  one witness saying the party had already left the table by 9.45pm )

Assuming that there  was  no abduction  ( and assuming the McCanns had staged the crime  )  it might be said that they tried,  very hard,  to have the police  (  and everyone else )  concentrate on the  8.30pm/9.15pm time period  (  when Gerry was visible to independent witneses  )   ...  whilst determindly  distracting from the  9.45pm/10.30pm  time period  (  to the extent of hiding e fits that would have had that time period as the most crucial of all )

Thanks for your very clear post, icabod. Focusses us all on the heart(s) of the matter, as ever.

One or two complaints, though.

Firstly, the Tanner sighting was not ' the entire basis for the abduction theory'.  The 'basis' (if you can go as far as to call it that) for the abduction theory was Kate finding Madeleine's bed empty and Madeleine gone. The words 'they've taken her' were uttered even before anyone else was in earshot.

The Tanner sighting was unknown to the McCanns at that point. As is well-known, Jane chose to give her information directly to police, and did not at that point discuss it with the McCanns.

As far as the idea of bundleman being a concocted alibi for Gerry goes, it would seem odd that Gerry would cast doubt on his own alibi by denying any knowledge of Jane being in Rua Martins. Why would he undermine his own witness?

Secondly, as far as the Smith sighting is concerned, it is true that this always seemed to play second place after the bundleman theory, but according to Kate, it was not viewed as a contradiction to or problem for the bundleman theory (as many others have viewed it). On the contrary, it was Kate's stated opinion that the Smith sighting actually corroborated Tanners, and reinforced the abduction theory. Kate states several times that it is too much of a co-incidence for two similar-looking men to be walking around with young, barefooted girls at around the same time of night, and that she assumes they are the same man or in some way connected.

As for Gerry's being witnessed at the table at the time the alarm was being raised, and when the Smith sighting took place - whether or not all the exact times have been established -  even if there are no witnesses to this outside T7, there are clearly many witnesses to the fact that Gerry was in and around the complex between 10 and 11. There is no way Gerry could have hidden Madeleine and returned to the complex in a short enough space of time for his presence not have been missed by several people involved in the ensuing situation. This has been discussed at length as well.

Offline Jazzy

Re: No abduction? So what if the e-fits were suppressed for 5 years ?
« Reply #54 on: November 02, 2013, 04:40:19 PM »
This mantra seems a bit silly to me

I mean,  what would you  'expect'  Scotland Yard to say if the McCanns and their friends    were  'persons of interest'   ?    ...  do you think they'd  announce that, knowing the furore it would cause  ? 

I can't help wondering what Redwood and his team thought when they found out that the McCanns had hidden Exton's report and e fits

I'd expect them to say nothing about them, if they were persons of interest, not dismiss them.

When Redwood found it was alleged they had. Maybe Redwood knows the real story?

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: No abduction? So what if the e-fits were suppressed for 5 years ?
« Reply #55 on: November 02, 2013, 04:45:26 PM »
It was "trashed" by Ms Tanner thanks to her implausible invisible presence, then by the PJ because of the implausible presence of two mutually ignorant protagonists on either side of a bedroom door, then by Mr McCann pretending to have been on the other side of the street. However, in spite of all Tannerman's comic adventures, the McCanns sticked to it fearlessly and fearlessly as well ignored Smithman.

Can't have it both ways on Tanner's invisibility. Either she was present to give Gerry McCann an alibi (if you are saying the sighting was fabricated), or she wasn't.

If Gerry was using Jane to fabricate an alibi for himself, they would have got their stories straight. He wouldn't have said that his key witness wasn't even in the street at the time!

And re Smith,  please see my recent reply to icabod. Kate invokes the Smith sighting as a defense for the abduction theory - not a contradiction to it. 

Rachel Granada

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Re: No abduction? So what if the e-fits were suppressed for 5 years ?
« Reply #56 on: November 02, 2013, 04:45:31 PM »
This mantra seems a bit silly to me

I mean,  what would you  'expect'  Scotland Yard to say if the McCanns and their friends    were  'persons of interest'   ?    ...  do you think they'd  announce that, knowing the furore it would cause  ? 

I can't help wondering what Redwood and his team thought when they found out that the McCanns had hidden Exton's report and e fits

Hi icabod.  The thing is, that we only have a newspaper report to go on about the e-fit business.  Have we not learnt any lessons from the 2007 press reports (which the McCanns received substantial damages for).

icabodcrane

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Re: No abduction? So what if the e-fits were suppressed for 5 years ?
« Reply #57 on: November 02, 2013, 04:47:16 PM »
I'd expect them to say nothing about them, if they were persons of interest, not dismiss them.

When Redwood found it was alleged they had. Maybe Redwood knows the real story?

'Saying nothing'   wasn't possible though,  was it  ?

Scotland Yard were  directly asked if the McCanns or their friends were on the list of  'persons of interest' 

What could they say in response  ?  ...  "No comment"  ? 

The press would have been salivating at such an evasion,  and all over it like a cheap suit

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: No abduction? So what if the e-fits were suppressed for 5 years ?
« Reply #58 on: November 02, 2013, 04:48:06 PM »



Ask Gerry!

Cute picture, Luz. But specifically what is that agenda and how does it relate to the subject of this thread?

Offline jassi

Re: No abduction? So what if the e-fits were suppressed for 5 years ?
« Reply #59 on: November 02, 2013, 05:09:16 PM »
It was me that mentioned agenda and said I didn't know exactly what it was, though Gerry obviously does.
It has since  been seized on by others as a distraction from the thread.
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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