Bamber case on ITV Tonight Programme 29th March 2012

[Weety]

How did you think the programme went Tim?  I have a feeling it is too little too late and not even Simon McKay's stated position that his review of the evidence inexorably leads him to the conclusion that the conviction was not safe will help Bamber.

I personally found it interesting that he did not say that Bamber was innocent which is completely different  to that claimed of him by the Bamber crankies.

I honestly don't know what evidence McKay has been looking at, I sometimes wonder if we are looking at the same case. Is he being purposely obtuse or is it that like so many before him and including our Mr Williams-Thomas, he just hasn't properly studied all the facts in this case?

Abs will have to provide substance to her claims otherwise they will not stand up to scrutiny.

Mornin' John.
I was delighted with the programme. I did wonder if the Dream Team were going to hit us with evidence that was so compelling that we have to seriously evaluate our positions I was quite shocked that the New Evidence is nothing but a trap for fools set by a bunch of chancers!

The silencer was rammed into the dead pig flesh like a spear to get the contact wound circles. Totally unrealistic and cheating to get the result they wanted. Even worse the rifle could not reach the tempreture to cause the burn marks to poor Nevill ... why on earth was it shown if not to mislead.

Have you seen the rifle got cooked in the Aga theory from Tesko and the quite extrordinary confirmation from Nelly 1006 that this joke is actually part of the CCRC submission? Shame on these people for using any meaans possible to try and get the results they want to see!

How the f**k does a rifle get cooked whilst 'leaning against the aga' during a frenzid murder spree and Nevill's life or death struggle.

Dream Team? ... Dream Up Anything To Free Bamber Glory Hunting Team

(Great work getting the stills from the programme btw John ... appreciate that)

I thought he'd stolen that theory off of me until I saw NGB's comment. He has an Aga, even he must know that that would be completely impossible! Also, if that was a part of the CCRC submission (which Mark Whatshisname said he had seen) why wasn't that theory included in the documentary? Too far fetched for him perhaps?

[puglove]

Boutflour came across as a decent, solid bloke. i laughed out loud when the little film ended with him      

[puglove]

I've said it before .... thank heavens for Julie Mugford. What a brave woman.

[puglove]

I've said it before .... thank heavens for Julie Mugford. What a brave woman.

Who knows how many lives Julie saved? If bamber had got away with murdering his family it would have given him carte blanche to kill again, anyone else he thought stood in his way. A psychopath has been kept safely from the world for 26 years. Let's hope that remains the case.

[abs]

I don't mind being stalked as long as the stalker is vaguely female. Preece stalking me is an enterely different kettle of fish!

I think our respective opinions of the relatives behaviour and motives is verydifferent Abs and neither of us is likely to change their mind or the others ... agreeing to disagree seemed the best  option!

I have to say that I do find it strange that David Boutflour took a razor blade and scraped off a flake of blood. His relatives had just been savagely murdered, and he found the blood "fascinating". Maybe I am misunderstanding something.
I am not the worst "relative basher" BTW.

[Tim Invictus]

I don't mind being stalked as long as the stalker is vaguely female. Preece stalking me is an enterely different kettle of fish!

I think our respective opinions of the relatives behaviour and motives is verydifferent Abs and neither of us is likely to change their mind or the others ... agreeing to disagree seemed the best  option!

I have to say that I do find it strange that David Boutflour took a razor blade and scraped off a flake of blood. His relatives had just been savagely murdered, and he found the blood "fascinating". Maybe I am misunderstanding something.
I am not the worst "relative basher" BTW.

Abs I welcome your views as we don't want to be a closed shop! Let me ask you something ... if the relatives were 'tampering' with the evidence or even falsiifying ecidence do you really think they would admit using a razor blade to scrape off a flake of blood?

Don't you think if they were acting with such malice aforethought they would have come up with a better story? I do!

[abs]

I don´t know, but yes, you´d think so.

[puglove]

I've said it before .... thank heavens for Julie Mugford. What a brave woman.

ive always said Julie Mugfords a top bird. Did what was right and stuck to her guns     

[John]

I've said it before .... thank heavens for Julie Mugford. What a brave woman.

ive always said Julie Mugfords a top bird. Did what was right and stuck to her guns     

Agree with those sentiments 1000% Dan.  She knew the game was up when she saw fear in Bambers eyes.  She knew whatever she felt for him that she had to go to the police. That is why Bamber was arrested as soon as he drove off the ferry from France.

Did you all know that Bamber had police surveillance on him after the murders?

[John]

Just to update you all.  Simon McKay had his planned visit with Bamber this morning and reports...

Jeremy Bamber, despite being in his 27th year of imprisonment, mentally strong during my visit with him this morning. CCRC decision awaited

Happy days!   

[Admin]

Just to update you all.  Simon McKay had his planned visit with Bamber this morning and reports...

Jeremy Bamber, despite being in his 27th year of imprisonment, mentally strong during my visit with him this morning. CCRC decision awaited

Happy days!   

Thank you for pointing that out.  We have upset Mr Mckays mini celebration to advise him in a Tweet that the evidence against Bamber far outweighs anything that he has brought to the table and pointing out that unsound does not mean innocent.  We will keep you advised if he has the balls to answer us.


ps good to have you back John, hope you had a pleasant trip?

[John]

Just to update you all.  Simon McKay had his planned visit with Bamber this morning and reports...

Jeremy Bamber, despite being in his 27th year of imprisonment, mentally strong during my visit with him this morning. CCRC decision awaited

Happy days!   

Thank you for pointing that out.  We have upset Mr Mckays mini celebration to advise him in a Tweet that the evidence against Bamber far outweighs anything that he has brought to the table and pointing out that unsound does not mean innocent.  We will keep you advised if he has the balls to answer us.


ps good to have you back John, hope you had a pleasant trip?

I certainly did and met some lovely people in the process.  Unfortunately I wasn't able to fit in everything that I had planned to do but that will keep until after the CCRC decision.

[puglove]

Do the members of bamber's forum think that they are helping him? I can't believe that he would want anyone reading that lunacy and libel.

[John]

Do the members of bamber's forum think that they are helping him? I can't believe that he would want anyone reading that lunacy and libel.

You being a country person will know that a trapped animal will attack and that is exactly the position the Bamber campaign is at now.  They have absolutely nowhere to go.  Their best theories have been rubbished by our members to the extent that they have to resort to fantasy characters in order keep their forum alive.   Best stand back and watch them self-destruct.   

[Admin]

Credit where credit is due, Mark Williams-Thomas has responded to our point and tweets.....

Mark Williams-Thomas ‏ @mwilliamsthomas
@Justice_forum Am very happy to have a sensible debate- you are convinced Bamber is guilty & that is fine ....


@Justice_forum But you need to consider the evidence in relation to the 3 aspects the trial judge said were at the center of the case ..



To us this would indicate that they are attempting to get Bamber out on a technicality rather than evidence of his innocence.