Bamber case on ITV Tonight Programme 29th March 2012

[Tim Invictus]

John Abs is of the opinion that the evidence was tampered with than so be it ... she has promised no stalking  and we in turn promise polite, respectful conversation! She has already left one forum because of their moronic behaviour ... we aren't going down the same route! 

[John]

How did you think the programme went Tim?  I have a feeling it is too little too late and not even Simon McKay's stated position that his review of the evidence inexorably leads him to the conclusion that the conviction was not safe will help Bamber.

I personally found it interesting that he did not say that Bamber was innocent which is completely different  to that claimed of him by the Bamber crankies.

I honestly don't know what evidence McKay has been looking at, I sometimes wonder if we are looking at the same case. Is he being purposely obtuse or is it that like so many before him and including our Mr Williams-Thomas, he just hasn't properly studied all the facts in this case?

Abs will have to provide substance to her claims otherwise they will not stand up to scrutiny.

[John]

   Look!! 

Teskowski has even brought sicko smiffy out of retirement and what does he do but put his feet right in it up to his neck.

that .22 rifle was fairly quiet...nothing more than clicks...without the silencer...it would be easy to envisage someone being shot in the kitchen downstairs and those upstairs not being woken by the sound of it being fired.

The general public...out of ignorance would expect the rifle to be louder... no doubt the jury never got to hear the rifle (or another one) being fired so they could make a proper judgement of the claimed evidence and that basically there was never any need for a silencer to be used by the killer/s.

Hint smiffy.  Do read the facts before you open your bake!   Look and learn smiffy!! 

The jury were taken to a firing range and heard the rifle being fired with and without a silencer fitted. 
Jeremy Bamber elected not to go to the firing range.   

[insider]

Did anyone notice the made up spiel which was posted by Tesko pretending to be Ron Cook immediately after the program?  What a load of dribble and tripe.  If that is the best you can do Tesko you best retire right now son.   

[insider]

Strange how these "employees" at the farm never materialised as didn't any of the Eaton's.  Looks like its back to the drawing board for you Viddy Vic!

[Harvey]

Strange how these "employees" at the farm never materialised as didn't any of the Eaton's.  Looks like its back to the drawing board for you Viddy Vic!

Morning insider.  Predictably predictable as you suggested some weeks ago. I must say I thought the whole programme was somewhat stale.  ITV must be going through a bad patch to produce such a poor piece of investigative journalism.  That guy from the Guardian was a typical anti establishment muppet didn't Tim say he had served 16 years or something earlier.  Just the sort of nice guy you ask to give an unbiased opinion on yet another nice guy like Bamber.   

The more they squirm and howl the more guilty I believe Bamber is.  David Boutflour was right when he said at the very beginning and at the end of the film that Jeremy Bamber is a guilty party, he is not an innocent person!

Who would you believe, David Boutflour who grew up with Bamber or Eric Allison who has probably never met him?

[John]

Oh dear!  ...what a farce that ITV programme was yesterday evening if its title "Jeremy Bamber - the new evidence" was anything to go by!  Even poor Poppy Ann Miller had to go to bed early in disgust after falling out with nice Mr McKay.  And while on the subject of Mr Dream Team, I am reliably informed that he is at this very moment on his way to meet Jeremy at HMP Full Sutton in order to break the news to him about the film.  Oh to be a fly on that wall!!

[Tim Invictus]

Strange how these "employees" at the farm never materialised as didn't any of the Eaton's.  Looks like its back to the drawing board for you Viddy Vic!

Barbara Wilson was on the programme and she was a farm employee wasn't she?

[puglove]

Oh dear!  ...what a farce that ITV programme was yesterday evening if its title "Jeremy Bamber - the new evidence" was anything to go by!  Even poor Poppy Ann Miller had to go to bed early in disgust after falling out with nice Mr McKay.  And while on the subject of Mr Dream Team, I am reliably informed that he is at this very moment on his way to meet Jeremy at HMP Full Sutton in order to break the news to him about the film.  Oh to be a fly on that wall!!

Is that what all the fuss has been about? What a damp squib, and very amateurish. It will have achieved nothing. I notice Bamber's forum found very little to be positive about, some even appeared dismayed at the content. Bamber must feel crushed.

[John]

The fact that two people who knew Jeremy Bamber really well speak of his guilt is powerful stuff.  Mrs Wilson was dismayed at Bambers complete lack of any sadness or grief, if evidence of the psychopath was ever needed, this was it.  David Boutflour for his part was upfront and left everbody in absolutely no doubt that Jeremy was not an innocently party and was as guilty as hell!

[Tim Invictus]

How did you think the programme went Tim?  I have a feeling it is too little too late and not even Simon McKay's stated position that his review of the evidence inexorably leads him to the conclusion that the conviction was not safe will help Bamber.

I personally found it interesting that he did not say that Bamber was innocent which is completely different  to that claimed of him by the Bamber crankies.

I honestly don't know what evidence McKay has been looking at, I sometimes wonder if we are looking at the same case. Is he being purposely obtuse or is it that like so many before him and including our Mr Williams-Thomas, he just hasn't properly studied all the facts in this case?

Abs will have to provide substance to her claims otherwise they will not stand up to scrutiny.

Mornin' John.
I was delighted with the programme. I did wonder if the Dream Team were going to hit us with evidence that was so compelling that we have to seriously evaluate our positions I was quite shocked that the New Evidence is nothing but a trap for fools set by a bunch of chancers!

The silencer was rammed into the dead pig flesh like a spear to get the contact wound circles. Totally unrealistic and cheating to get the result they wanted. Even worse the rifle could not reach the tempreture to cause the burn marks to poor Nevill ... why on earth was it shown if not to mislead.

Have you seen the rifle got cooked in the Aga theory from Tesko and the quite extrordinary confirmation from Nelly 1006 that this joke is actually part of the CCRC submission? Shame on these people for using any meaans possible to try and get the results they want to see!

How the f**k does a rifle get cooked whilst 'leaning against the aga' during a frenzid murder spree and Nevill's life or death struggle.

Dream Team? ... Dream Up Anything To Free Bamber Glory Hunting Team

(Great work getting the stills from the programme btw John ... appreciate that)

 

[Angelo222]

How did you think the programme went Tim?  I have a feeling it is too little too late and not even Simon McKay's stated position that his review of the evidence inexorably leads him to the conclusion that the conviction was not safe will help Bamber.

I personally found it interesting that he did not say that Bamber was innocent which is completely different  to that claimed of him by the Bamber crankies.

I honestly don't know what evidence McKay has been looking at, I sometimes wonder if we are looking at the same case. Is he being purposely obtuse or is it that like so many before him and including our Mr Williams-Thomas, he just hasn't properly studied all the facts in this case?

Abs will have to provide substance to her claims otherwise they will not stand up to scrutiny.

Mornin' John.
I was delighted with the programme. I did wonder if the Dream Team were going to hit us with evidence that was so compelling that we have to seriously evaluate our positions I was quite shocked that the New Evidence is nothing but a trap for fools set by a bunch of chancers!

The silencer was rammed into the dead pig flesh like a spear to get the contact wound circles. Totally unrealistic and cheating to get the result they wanted. Even worse the rifle could not reach the tempreture to cause the burn marks to poor Nevill ... why on earth was it shown if not to mislead.

Have you seen the rifle got cooked in the Aga theory from Tesko and the quite extrordinary confirmation from Nelly 1006 that this joke is actually part of the CCRC submission? Shame on these people for using any meaans possible to try and get the results they want to see!

How the f**k does a rifle get cooked whilst 'leaning against the aga' during a frenzid murder spree and Nevill's life or death struggle.

Dream Team? ... Dream Up Anything To Free Bamber Glory Hunting Team

(Great work getting the stills from the programme btw John ... appreciate that)

I had to have a chuckle at the Aga theory.  A hot Aga in the month of August and in the middle of the night?  What a load of old bollocks.

The truth is that the Aga wasn't even lit.

As for the ramming of a rifle into a piece of dead pig skin that again was exaggerated as you so correctly pointed out Tim.  All in all a pretty poor show but then it is audience numbers that ITV wants and not the truth and the public should be made aware of this.


If I were Bamber I would be worried...VERY WORRIED.

[John]

How did you think the programme went Tim?  I have a feeling it is too little too late and not even Simon McKay's stated position that his review of the evidence inexorably leads him to the conclusion that the conviction was not safe will help Bamber.

I personally found it interesting that he did not say that Bamber was innocent which is completely different  to that claimed of him by the Bamber crankies.

I honestly don't know what evidence McKay has been looking at, I sometimes wonder if we are looking at the same case. Is he being purposely obtuse or is it that like so many before him and including our Mr Williams-Thomas, he just hasn't properly studied all the facts in this case?

Abs will have to provide substance to her claims otherwise they will not stand up to scrutiny.

Mornin' John.
I was delighted with the programme. I did wonder if the Dream Team were going to hit us with evidence that was so compelling that we have to seriously evaluate our positions I was quite shocked that the New Evidence is nothing but a trap for fools set by a bunch of chancers!

The silencer was rammed into the dead pig flesh like a spear to get the contact wound circles. Totally unrealistic and cheating to get the result they wanted. Even worse the rifle could not reach the tempreture to cause the burn marks to poor Nevill ... why on earth was it shown if not to mislead.

Have you seen the rifle got cooked in the Aga theory from Tesko and the quite extrordinary confirmation from Nelly 1006 that this joke is actually part of the CCRC submission? Shame on these people for using any meaans possible to try and get the results they want to see!

How the f**k does a rifle get cooked whilst 'leaning against the aga' during a frenzid murder spree and Nevill's life or death struggle.

Dream Team? ... Dream Up Anything To Free Bamber Glory Hunting Team

(Great work getting the stills from the programme btw John ... appreciate that)

I will have another go at the film later today as there are a few other comments and pictures that I want to capture before we move on.   I agree about the Aga, I don't think it was even lit at that time of year as it would have made the house too warm. You see Tesko wouldn't know such things as only someone brought up on a farm with an Aga like me would know.

[Tim Invictus]

And the Julie Mugford vielled accusations of lying for money from the NOTW was very, very weak. Julie didn't have a News Of The World deal when she walked into the police station and expsoed Bamber. Her trial testimony was just her original statement evidence put to the jury and tested in cross examination.

Even if Julie's solicitor did arrange the NOTW deal before the trial that does not mean she lied and the jury obviously believed her. Her story didn't change at all from her original statement describing Bamber's long held and various plans to kill off his family.   

[John]

Did you hear what she said in the old interview that she was not scared of Bamber until the moment came when she realised that he was scared of her.  I bet she got cold shivers at that very moment in time when she realised that he could kill her as well.