Prosecution evidence?

[Wonderfulspam]

Exactly.  So why did the Judge decide that it was admissible when they both pleaded Not Guilty.?

Because the filthy ...moderated ... 'did it' perhaps.

[Anna]

So what EXACTLY does the signed deposition say...because thats not what john reported

As you can see the confessions were illegal

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/05/leonor-ciprianos-lawyer-confesses-to.html

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/10/leonor-ciprianos-lawyer-confesses-to.html

[Eleanor]

Because the filthy ... moderated ... 'did it' perhaps.

So The Judge decided beforehand that they had done it, and then decided to help the prosecution along a bit?  That sounds like a distinct possibility.

PS. Have you read The Devil's Advocate?  He was very much better at it than you are.  You might be able to pick up a few tips.

[Anna]

So The Judge decided beforehand that they had done it, and then decided to help the prosecution along a bit?  That sounds like a distinct possibility.

PS. Have you read The Devil's Advocate?  He was very much better at it than you are.  You might be able to pick up a few tips.

  Sorry Eleanor, but I found this so funny and I haven't laughed like this in year     

[John]

Which confessions were deemed admissible during the murder trial?

João's taped confession obviously.

[Eleanor]

  Sorry Eleanor, but I found this so funny and I haven't laughed like this in year     

Thank you, Anna.  WonderfulSpam isn't half the bad character that he pretends to be.  But I have got him sussed now.

[John]

So why was there a Trial?  And why did they plead Not Guilty.  Why was the Confession played in Court?  And why was she beaten so badly over a large number of hours?
Where exactly was Amaral while this was going on?  Or was he just having lunch?

Is anyone who doesn't agree with you and Admin, allowed to have an opinion?

I thought this Forum dealt with Miscarriages of Justice.  Is there any case apart from John's that is actually considered to be a Miscarriage of Justice?

You best ask Leonor those questions Eleanor since she is the one who confessed initially, subsequently pled not guilty, refused to testify and then signed a deposition blaming her brother.  Were those really the actions of an innocent mother?

[Anna]

Thank you, Anna.  WonderfulSpam isn't half the bad character that he pretends to be.  But I have got him sussed now.

I rather like him too. He's so funny at times

[John]

Exactly.  So why did the Judge decide that it was admissible when they both pleaded Not Guilty.?

They could have pled anything they liked Eleanor.  Maybe Leonor is innocent of the murder and only said what she did thinking it would help João.  Maybe João is the monster in all of this after all and killed the girl.  Maybe Leonor is guilty of nothing more than being a gullible accessory after the fact.  Only she and João know!

[John]

As you can see the confessions were illegal

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/05/leonor-ciprianos-lawyer-confesses-to.html

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/10/leonor-ciprianos-lawyer-confesses-to.html

That was five years after the trial.  The original taped confession was allowed by the original trial judges.

[Carana]

João's taped confession obviously.

Do you mean the "reconstruction" or something else?

[Mr Gray]

According to Leonor's latest version of events and notably, her confession, she claims it was her brother who disposed of the remains.  The question is, how could she be sure what happened since she is merely advancing a scenario advanced by her brother.  Unfortunately for Leonor, unless she was present when Joana was killed or disposed of her testimony is hearsay.

you and others keep talking about the latest deposition and actually saying different things..have you actually seen it or are your posts hearsay

[Anna]

That was five years after the trial.  The original taped confession was allowed by to original trial judges.

I was referring to the so called confessions of selling the child and Joao killing her in their request for appeal 2009... As the links indicate

[Anna]

you and others keep talking about the latest deposition and actually saying different things..have you actually seen it or are your posts hearsay

I have got them on the appeal request, but they are also on Joane marais  I will try and link them

[Eleanor]

You best ask Leonor those questions Eleanor since she is the one who confessed initially, subsequently pled not guilty, refused to testify and then signed a deposition blaming her brother.  Were those really the actions of an innocent mother?

I am still not sure that this is true, John.  I have so far not seen any evidence to support what you say.