The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.

[stephen25000]

I often wonder this - what do they think their efforts achieve ?

Salient point Jassi.

[Anna]

Speculation, speculation and yet more speculation.

Why are you so concerned gilet with this video and 'cross contamination', when we now full well the forensics were inconclusive ?

Who are you trying to convince exactly ?

As you well know, most people on here have made up their minds already, and this is unlikely to change their opinions.

I did not come on this site to study the McCanns, as my interest was with the Ciprianos and I believed the McCanns were guilty of something and like yourself, I thought the fact that they left three babies alone, was terrible, so I was not interested in discussing them.
I was however curious and decided to check out the evidence supplied here and in the files, only to find there was no evidence of anything except for dogs alerts. I am still checking and not yet entirely sure what I think, but many of the scenarios on here are really unbelievable.

[Benice]

Eddie failed to alert to any of the clothing whilst it was in the villa - but only alerted after it had been removed and laid out in the gym.   To my knowledge M.Grime has never explained that apparent failure by Eddie.

[Anna]

Eddie failed to alert to any of the clothing whilst it was in the villa - but only alerted after it had been removed and laid out in the gym.   To my knowledge M.Grime has never explained that apparent failure by Eddie.

Thank you Benice I don't know where I thought that Eddie tossed clothes around in the Gym and they were taken along with Cat. That now concludes my theory , cheers

[ferryman]

Thank you Benice I don't know where I thought that Eddie tossed clothes around in the Gym and they were taken along with Cat. That now concludes my theory , cheers

Excellent point.

The same clothes not alerted to in the villa, alerted to (apparently!) in the gym.

And we still don't know, really, how the inspection in the gym came about.

There is Amaral's explanation in his book, which I'm strongly inclined to dismiss.

From the files, there is an introduction to the inspection in the gym which says that clothes seized following the inspection at the villa were tested a second time to try to identify items of clothing possibly alerted to in the villa.

Big mystery ...

Following the search effected at Rua das Flores, 27, during which certain items were seized, this present inspection was performed, in a place appropriated for its purpose, attempting to identify particular pieces of clothing possibly indicated by the dogs, namely Eddy [that] indicates cadaver odours and Kila [that] indicates blood odours.

[Anna]

Excellent point.

The same clothes not alerted to in the villa, alerted to (apparently!) in the gym.

And we still don't know, really, how the inspection in the gym came about.

There is Amaral's explanation in his book, which I'm strongly inclined to dismiss.

From the files, there is an introduction to the inspection in the gym which says that clothes seized following the inspection at the villa were tested a second time to try to identify items of clothing possibly alerted to in the villa.

Big mystery ...

Something to do with a box I believe.

[ferryman]

Something to do with a box I believe.

Certainly all the clothes, apparently alerted to, came from the same box.

But I've added an edit to my post above which is the closest we get to an 'explanation' (I use the term loosely) of the inspection in the gym.

[Anna]

Certainly all the clothes, apparently alerted to, came from the same box.

But I've added an edit to my post above which is the closest we get to an 'explanation' (I use the term loosely) of the inspection in the gym.

These items should never have been moved and handled by so many people, at such a late hour too. He was trying too hard to prove......

[ferryman]

These items should never have been moved and handled by so many people, at such a late hour too. He was trying too hard to prove......

In short, the inspections should never have happened.

While it is true that transporting stuff in cardboard boxes was slipshod, because of the inevitability of cross-contamination in the event that any item of clothing carried a death scent, the wider, and more relevant point is this.

The inspection came 3 months after the crime.  In the interim, those clothes will have packed in suitcases, put through washing machines, folded away in wardrobes and cupboards and heaven knows what else.

Cross-contamination, if it was going to occur, would long since already have done so.

So what was the point of any of it?

Simply, these inspections should never have happened.

Why did they?

[Carana]

Something to do with a box I believe.

There's a thread on this somewhere.

It's clear as mud what he was supposed to have alerted to as he throws some items in the air and nuzzles others and carries on barking. Grime said he didn't have the list, so it's not clear who actually decided what he'd alerted to.

For example, the first thing he throws up in the air is a tiny pair of blue shorts... but that's not on the list. He does the same with the little red T-shirt (from memory) and that is on the list. He doesn't throw Kate's blouse in the air, just nuzzles it, but that is on the list. He also nuzzles a large green man's T-shirt, but that's not on the list.

All a bit odd.

[ferryman]

There's a thread on this somewhere.

It's clear as mud what he was supposed to have alerted to as he throws some items in the air and nuzzles others and carries on barking. Grime said he didn't have the list, so it's not clear who actually decided what he'd alerted to.

For example, the first thing he throws up in the air is a tiny pair of blue shorts... but that's not on the list. He does the same with the little red T-shirt (from memory) and that is on the list. He doesn't throw Kate's blouse in the air, just nuzzles it, but that is on the list. He also nuzzles a large green man's T-shirt, but that's not on the list.

All a bit odd.

The red tee-shirt was much too small to have been worn by Madeleine (at least on that holiday) and was clearly one of the twin's ...

[Anna]

There's a thread on this somewhere.

It's clear as mud what he was supposed to have alerted to as he throws some items in the air and nuzzles others and carries on barking. Grime said he didn't have the list, so it's not clear who actually decided what he'd alerted to.

For example, the first thing he throws up in the air is a tiny pair of blue shorts... but that's not on the list. He does the same with the little red T-shirt (from memory) and that is on the list. He doesn't throw Kate's blouse in the air, just nuzzles it, but that is on the list. He also nuzzles a large green man's T-shirt, but that's not on the list.

All a bit odd.

Thank you Carana, We still have no statements from the other guests in 5A yet. The cadaver if it was cadaver scent got there somehow, or the doggie was wrong this time.

[Anna]

The red tee-shirt was much too small to have been worn by Madeleine (at least on that holiday) and was clearly one of the twin's ...

It looked like a boys shirt

[Benice]

The red tee-shirt was much too small to have been worn by Madeleine (at least on that holiday) and was clearly one of the twin's ...

IMO it was definitely Sean's T-shirt - It had boats or planes on it and was red.  Not at all  'girlie'  IMO.

[pegasus]

IIRC you will find the recommended age-range and height written on the label in the files.
www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CLOTHES.htm
But IMO it's irrelevant which individual owned each clothing item in that pile as they were not wearing them at the time.