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Lyall

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Re: The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.
« Reply #45 on: December 12, 2013, 01:13:05 PM »
Personally, I can't make any sense of those clothes alerts.

What is the correct alert in responding to clothes supposed to be?

Picking clothes up in his jaws? Barking near them? Both? Either?

How do the various alerts noted by the PJ correspond those alerts?

The trainer makes sense of the dog's responses; they're a team.

Offline Carana

Re: The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.
« Reply #46 on: December 12, 2013, 01:13:43 PM »
An extract from Gonçalo Amaral's book contains the following comments in relation to the deployment of dogs Eddie and Keela in the gym.

It should be pointed out that Amaral was the officer in charge of this exercise.


The soft toy and all the clothes from the house are placed into boxes specially made to preserve evidence. These objects are then conveyed to the decontaminated premises. They are placed on the ground, a good distance apart for the dogs to examine.

At 8pm, Tavares de Almeida calls me to let me know that Mark Harrison requires another place because this one is not sufficiently clean.

- How do I find a place at this kind of time?

- Sort it out!

Julio Barroso offers us the new sports hall in Lagos which, finally, meets the required standards. The objects are once again laid out on the ground and the dogs can start. Eddie alerts us to a strong cadaver odour on some of Kate's clothes, but the CSI dog doesn't detect the slightest trace of blood.



It has been claimed that this extract is in error, that the clothes were not laid out twice. 

For those who feel this to be the case I offer you an opportunity to discuss this claim and provide supporting evidence.


Actually, I pointed out on an earlier thread that I didn't find it clear whether the clothes had actually been laid out and repacked or whether there was a potential misunderstanding in terms of the tenses used, which might have meant that there was an intention to do so in the first instance, but which did not actually take place.

It's so waffly on that issue, that I don't find it clear one way or another.




Offline Carana

Re: The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.
« Reply #47 on: December 12, 2013, 01:16:37 PM »
The trainer makes sense of the dog's responses; they're a team.

But Grime said he wasn't in possession of the details...

Lyall

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Re: The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.
« Reply #48 on: December 12, 2013, 01:21:20 PM »
But Grime said he wasn't in possession of the details...

I don't know what you mean there.

Offline Carana

Re: The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.
« Reply #49 on: December 12, 2013, 01:30:10 PM »
I don't know what you mean there.

BOXES OF CLOTHING 1 PROPERTY FORM MR McCANN'S RESIDENCE.

At a suitable venue numerous boxes of clothing 1 property taken from the
McCann present residence were screened using both the EVRD and the CSI
dog. The venue was screened by both dogs prior to introducing clothing /
property. Neither gave an alert indication. The screening then took place with
the contents of each box being placed around the room in turn. The process
was recorded by video and written records were taken by PJ officers.

The only alert indication was by the EVRD on clothing from one of the boxes. I
am not in possession of the details as these were recorded by the PJ
officers present.

ferryman

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Re: The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.
« Reply #50 on: December 12, 2013, 01:38:57 PM »
Frightening stuff.

How does stuff translated by Anna Undress that is no part of the official file, nevertheless, get in to the "official" file?

Villa rue des Fleurs.
 

Report:

August 2nd 2007 -6.14pm - 27 Rue das Floras- Praia Da Luz - Lagos

Participants:

PJ: Ricardo P & J. Carlos P., inspectors.
UK: Mark Harrison, Martin Grime & Eddie.

On that date, within the context of a residential search, carried out at the McCann couple's current residence, an inspection by a dog handling team was made. Thus, at the time indicated at the beginning of the report, all areas of the property were inspected and the following results obtained:

6.36pm - The dog Eddie, who detects cadaver odours, "marked" the area of a cupboard in the living room. On checking, the dog was indicating a pink soft toy belonging to Madeleine McCann.
 
The clothes.
 

Date: August 2nd 2007 - 11.20pm

On that date, following the home visit made to the McCann's' current residence, on the Rue des Fleurs, various items of clothing were laid out in an appropriate place for this purpose, to carry out an inspection by the dog handling unit.

The collected items of clothing were set out individually with the agreement and under the directions provided by the British technicians, the dogs having previously covered the space where the clothing was laid out.

1 - 11.20pm: Prior reconnaissance of the place by the two canine units to guarantee that the space was clear of all odours being sought. The reconnaissance was completed at 11.30pm without anything being signalled by the dogs.

2 - 11.30pm: An initial inspection by the human blood detecting dog, began with the clothing packed in the box bearing the notation: "Living room." At 11.40pm, the inspection was completed without the dog showing anything abnormal.

11.41: The canine human remains recovery dog started its inspection and "marked" various clothes. The inspection was completed at 11.52pm. The clothes were returned to their box for later use.

From 12.02am until 1.30am, (03/08/07) all the other boxes, containing clothing from the twins' bedroom, from the friends' bedroom, from the bedroom of the couple labelled 1 & 2, as well as the empty luggage, was inspected by the two dogs without conclusive results.

Apartment 5A - OCEAN CLUB

As joinder to the procedure. It is made known and according to superior orders that today at 8pm, specialists from LPC (Police forensics lab) Fernando V. and Lino R., after having seen the recorded images resulting from the inspection by the dog handling unit on 31/07/07 in apartment 5A, duly mandated, proceeded with the collection of whole floor tiles where the dogs used in the inspection indicated the possible existence of traces of human blood as well as the presence of a body in the apartment. The tiles were lifted so as to preserve possible samples to be analysed by the appropriate laboratory. This entire action was filmed in order to illustrate the way in which the lifting was accomplished and with what tools so that the experts had a better idea of the work.

Robert Murat/Casa Liliana

Report:

August 4th and 5th 2007.

Casa Liliana, residence of the suspect Robert Murat, situated on "Ramalhete" road - Praia da Luz - Lagos.

Participants:

PJ: Tavares A., chief inspector, J. Carlos P., Ricardo P, inspectors
UK: Mark Harrison, Martin Grime and Eddie.

On that date, within the context of residential visits, which were carried out at the home of the suspect ROBERT MURAT, an inspection by the dog handling unit was made in the gardens and inside the residence of the accused.

August 4th 2007 - 7.28pm: Start of the inspection of the gardens of the residence. Eddie, human remains recovery dog, covered the whole perimeter outside the dwelling and nothing abnormal was signalled.

August 5th 2007 - 3.22pm: The same dog inspected all rooms of the residence and nothing in particular was signalled.

RUSSELL O'BRIEN

To the coordinator of the criminal investigation.

In the context of the investigation, we have collected information concerning a vehicle used by RUSSELL O'BRIEN, friend and member of the group who spent their holiday with the McCann family in the Algarve . At the time of the request for vehicles considered important to the procedures that follow, we were not aware of the identification details of this vehicle. Meantime, our investigation has led us to establish that it may be a vehicle of the "Opel" range, a "Corsa" model, registration....AG - 62. At the present time, we do not have a mandate to search for and seize the vehicle to allow us to add the vehicle to the planned inspections. As a consequence, we request such a legal mandate in order to be able to realize the planned inspections.

Samples sent to the lab.

Between 3pm on August 4th 2007 and 6.30am on August 5th 2007, the following samples were recovered in the living room of apartment 5A at the OCEAN CLUB where a murder probably took place.

Samples 1A to 3B: recovered on the floor.
Samples 4A to 13B: recovered on the wall.
Samples 14A to 15B: recovered behind the sofa.
Sample 16A: recovered from the blue curtain.
Samples 16B: recovered from the white curtain behind the blue curtain.

All of these elements have been handed over to the Birmingham Forensic Science Services. (FSS)

Samples recovered in the car.

Between August 6th at 9.30pm and August 7th at 4am, the following samples were recovered in the grey Renault Scenic car.

From the driver's side:

1A: Hair
1B: Fibre and hairs
1C: Fibres and hairs
1D: Fingernail

Front passenger side:

2A: Hair
2B: Hair
2C: Fibres and hairs
2D: Fibres and hairs
2E: Fingernail

Between the seats:

3A: Hair

Back seat:

4A: Hair
4B: Fibres and hairs
4C: Fibres and hairs

Centre seat:

5A: Hair
5B: Fibres and hairs
5C: Fibres and hairs

Right-hand seat:

6A: Hair
6B: Fibres and hairs
6C: Fibres and hairs

Luggage compartment (rear boot)

7A: Hair
7B: Fibres and hairs
7C: Fibres

8A: Hair
8B: Fibres and hairs
8C: Fibres and hairs

9, 10 and 11: Hair

12: Car key

13: Control samples of seat fabric

ferryman

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Re: The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.
« Reply #51 on: December 12, 2013, 01:47:31 PM »
From the files, the only explanation I'm aware of of the inspection at the gym is this:

Following the search effected at Rua das Flores, 27, during which certain items were seized, this present inspection was performed, in a place appropriated for its purpose, attempting to identify particular pieces of clothing possibly indicated by the dogs, namely Eddy [that] indicates cadaver odours and Kila [that] indicates blood odours.

Possibly indicated by the dogs (from the inspection in the villa) where there was only one, apparent, alert: to cuddlecat ....

Offline Angelo222

Re: The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.
« Reply #52 on: December 12, 2013, 01:57:59 PM »
I see we are back to the gym again.  One point can I bring to your attention is that you will note that the references are all to boxes.  If you look at the video you will see that some of the clothing was stuffed in a suitcase before being transported to the two destinations for the dog tests.   Another point worth considering is that only some of the clothes were set out at the first location before Harrison decided that it wasn't suitable.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Angelo222

Re: The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.
« Reply #53 on: December 12, 2013, 02:14:08 PM »
Actually, I pointed out on an earlier thread that I didn't find it clear whether the clothes had actually been laid out and repacked or whether there was a potential misunderstanding in terms of the tenses used, which might have meant that there was an intention to do so in the first instance, but which did not actually take place.

It's so waffly on that issue, that I don't find it clear one way or another.

Gonçalo is clear about what happened in his book.  He recalls Tavares de Almeida calling him at 8pm to say that Mark Harrison is not happy with the venue, that the clothes were gathered up again and moved to a cleaner location.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

ferryman

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Re: The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.
« Reply #54 on: December 12, 2013, 02:14:28 PM »
Actually, I pointed out on an earlier thread that I didn't find it clear whether the clothes had actually been laid out and repacked or whether there was a potential misunderstanding in terms of the tenses used, which might have meant that there was an intention to do so in the first instance, but which did not actually take place.

It's so waffly on that issue, that I don't find it clear one way or another.

I suspect that discussion is moot, Carana.

I think Amaral made it all up.

Offline Angelo222

Re: The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.
« Reply #55 on: December 12, 2013, 02:34:50 PM »
It took from before 8pm until after 11pm to sort this fiasco out and find suitable premises in Lagos. My question is why didn't Grime or Harrison make it clear to the Portuguese what was required?  Was this further evidence of a total lack of understanding and professionalism between the parties involved??
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

ferryman

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Re: The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.
« Reply #56 on: December 12, 2013, 02:56:20 PM »
It took from before 8pm until after 11pm to sort this fiasco out and find suitable premises in Lagos. My question is why didn't Grime or Harrison make it clear to the Portuguese what was required?  Was this further evidence of a total lack of understanding and professionalism between the parties involved??

It did.

I'm not altogether surprised.  Finding and getting open a public facility for a non-standard use at that time of night must have taken a bit of doing.


Offline Angelo222

Re: The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.
« Reply #57 on: December 12, 2013, 04:46:16 PM »
My suggestion is that we should invite Martin to come on himself to a question and answer session some evening.  Then hopefully we would get to the truth of it all.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Lyall

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Re: The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.
« Reply #58 on: December 12, 2013, 04:49:50 PM »
My suggestion is that we should invite Martin to come on himself to a question and answer session some evening.  Then hopefully we would get to the truth of it all.

People have been at the very least insulting him here all week (and a lot worse in some cases). Why would he have any interest in speaking?

Offline lizzibif

Re: The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.
« Reply #59 on: December 12, 2013, 04:55:50 PM »
People have been at the very least insulting him here all week (and a lot worse in some cases). Why would he have any interest in speaking?


More to the point..why would Mr Grime want to answer to a handful of joe publics on a forum..?