The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.

[pathfinder73]

Where do you think the clothes came from.  Do you think someone found them  or dug them up?  Where else could they have come from but the villa?
Perhaps they didn't belong to The McCanns at all.

And you don't know if they were packed and taken out of the villa before Eddie went in.

[Brietta]

Where do you think the clothes came from.  Do you think someone found them  or dug them up?  Where else could they have come from but the villa?
Perhaps they didn't belong to The McCanns at all.

In the video of the inspection of the clothes in the gymnasium, I recall seeing the boxes which contained the clothing labelled with the address of the villa, where the Drs McCann and their family were staying and from which the boxes had been removed.
As we know from Dr Amaral's book the clothing had already been inspected without 'success' before he was able to arrange a more appropriate site in Lagos ~ IMO the failed inspection took place in the villa with the clothes in situ.

[Eleanor]

And you don't know if they were packed and taken out of the villa before Eddie went in.

Who would have selected them?  And why?

[Montclair]

In the video of the inspection of the clothes in the gymnasium, I recall seeing the boxes which contained the clothing labelled with the address of the villa, where the Drs McCann and their family were staying and from which the boxes had been removed.
As we know from Dr Amaral's book the clothing had already been inspected without 'success' before he was able to arrange a more appropriate site in Lagos ~ IMO the failed inspection took place in the villa with the clothes in situ.

The clothes had not been inspected before, they were only given to the dogs to smell one time. At first it had been considered to carry out the inspection in a garage but Mark Harrison did not accept the location, he wanted a cleaner one. The Mayor of Lagos found another site for the police, a newly inaugurated sports pavillion, which MH found acceptable and this is where the inspection was done.

[Brietta]

The clothes had not been inspected before, they were only given to the dogs to smell one time. At first it had been considered to carry out the inspection in a garage but Mark Harrison did not accept the location, he wanted a cleaner one. The Mayor of Lagos found another site for the police, a newly inaugurated sports pavillion, which MH found acceptable and this is where the inspection was done.

Not according to what Dr Amaral says in his book ~

~ Quote ~ "The soft toy and all the clothes from the house are placed into boxes specially made to preserve evidence. These objects are then conveyed to the decontaminated premises. They are placed on the ground, a good distance apart for the dogs to examine. At 8pm, Tavares de Almeida calls me to let me know that Mark Harrison requires another place because this one is not sufficiently clean.- How do I find a place at this kind of time?- Sort it out! Julio Barroso offers us the new sports hall in Lagos which, finally, meets the required standards. The objects are once again laid out on the ground and the dogs can start. Eddie alerts us to a strong cadaver odour on some of Kate's clothes, but the CSI dog doesn't detect the slightest trace of blood." ~ end Quote

[slartibartfast]

Not according to what Dr Amaral says in his book ~

~ Quote ~ "The soft toy and all the clothes from the house are placed into boxes specially made to preserve evidence. These objects are then conveyed to the decontaminated premises. They are placed on the ground, a good distance apart for the dogs to examine. At 8pm, Tavares de Almeida calls me to let me know that Mark Harrison requires another place because this one is not sufficiently clean.- How do I find a place at this kind of time?- Sort it out! Julio Barroso offers us the new sports hall in Lagos which, finally, meets the required standards. The objects are once again laid out on the ground and the dogs can start. Eddie alerts us to a strong cadaver odour on some of Kate's clothes, but the CSI dog doesn't detect the slightest trace of blood." ~ end Quote

That is the same?

[Brietta]

That is the same?

No it is not the same. 

I missed out the preceding sentence which made it plain that, prior to being packed in boxes, the clothing and the soft toy had been in the villa when Eddie was working. 
In my opinion ~ check one

According to what Dr Amaral says in his book all were then packed into boxes and taken to another location where they were spread out on the ground and repacked, the area not being 'clean enough'.
In my opinion ~ check two

They were then removed to Lagos.
In my opinion ~ check three.

If Dr Amaral's account is correct I think it points to the clothing being in close poximity to Eddie on at least three occasions.

[slartibartfast]

No it is not the same. 

I missed out the preceding sentence which made it plain that, prior to being packed in boxes, the clothing and the soft toy had been in the villa when Eddie was working. 
In my opinion ~ check one

According to what Dr Amaral says in his book all were then packed into boxes and taken to another location where they were spread out on the ground and repacked, the area not being 'clean enough'.
In my opinion ~ check two

They were then removed to Lagos.
In my opinion ~ check three.

If Dr Amaral's account is correct I think it points to the clothing being in close poximity to Eddie on at least three occasions.

Well put the preceding sentence in and we can judge.

[Montclair]

Not according to what Dr Amaral says in his book ~

~ Quote ~ "The soft toy and all the clothes from the house are placed into boxes specially made to preserve evidence. These objects are then conveyed to the decontaminated premises. They are placed on the ground, a good distance apart for the dogs to examine. At 8pm, Tavares de Almeida calls me to let me know that Mark Harrison requires another place because this one is not sufficiently clean.- How do I find a place at this kind of time?- Sort it out! Julio Barroso offers us the new sports hall in Lagos which, finally, meets the required standards. The objects are once again laid out on the ground and the dogs can start. Eddie alerts us to a strong cadaver odour on some of Kate's clothes, but the CSI dog doesn't detect the slightest trace of blood." ~ end Quote

The correct translation from Portuguese is "they were to be placed" not "they are placed" (onde seriam colocadas no chão, de forma espaçada....).

BTW, as to way the clothes were transported together, how do you think that the police found the clothing? It was all bunched together and they even took some out of the washing machine. It would have made no difference at all if they had packed each piece separately.

[Silkywhiskers]

The dogs shouldn't have indicated AT ALL but they did.

Madeleine shouldn't have been shoved in a hole in the ground but it looks like she was.

The children shouldn't have been left alone, Kate should have called her name.

On and on the "shoulds" go.

[Brietta]

Well put the preceding sentence in and we can judge.

I hope you don't think I am being rude but if you wish to quibble or argue the point ~ just do what I did and check it out for yourself.
It is really easy to locate, so you shouldn't have too much of a problem.

[slartibartfast]

I hope you don't think I am being rude but if you wish to quibble or argue the point ~ just do what I did and check it out for yourself.
It is really easy to locate, so you shouldn't have too much of a problem.

Right...

On August 2nd, at 6pm, the inspectors arrive at the McCanns' residence and present the search warrant. The principle of the examination by the specialist dogs is explained. Kate and Gerry are in the swimming pool in the garden with the twins. Contrary to all expectations, they allow us access to their house in a very natural way.

Eddie goes immediately to the lounge. He comes to a stop in front of a wicker armchair on which is lying Madeleine's small pink soft toy, which Kate was never without in the early days of the investigation. Nowadays, she wears a rosary and a green ribbon around her neck. Eddie barks to let us know that he has detected an odour: the soft toy has been in contact with a body.

The soft toy and all the clothes from the house are placed into boxes specially made to preserve evidence. These objects are then conveyed to the decontaminated premises. They are placed on the ground, a good distance apart for the dogs to examine.

At 8pm, Tavares de Almeida calls me to let me know that Mark Harrison requires another place because this one is not sufficiently clean.

- How do I find a place at this kind of time?

- Sort it out!

Julio Barroso offers us the new sports hall in Lagos which, finally, meets the required standards. The objects are once again laid out on the ground and the dogs can start. Eddie alerts us to a strong cadaver odour on some of Kate's clothes, but the CSI dog doesn't detect the slightest trace of blood.

Doesn't suggest a thorough sweep of the apartment.

[sadie]

The correct translation from Portuguese is "they were to be placed" not "they are placed" (onde seriam colocadas no chão, de forma espaçada....).

BTW, as to way the clothes were transported together, how do you think that the police found the clothing? It was all bunched together and they even took some out of the washing machine. It would have made no difference at all if they had packed each piece separately.

As you have just illustrated they were NOT all bunched together before.

As if everyones clothes would have been in the same place in a massive piler.  And that is without your just revealing that they weren't all together.

[Brietta]

The correct translation from Portuguese is "they were to be placed" not "they are placed" (onde seriam colocadas no chão, de forma espaçada....).

BTW, as to way the clothes were transported together, how do you think that the police found the clothing? It was all bunched together and they even took some out of the washing machine. It would have made no difference at all if they had packed each piece separately.

The translation is not mine but your point emphasises the many problems associated with ‘unauthorised’ translations on the internet.

I did not raise the manner in which the clothing was packed and unpacked. 

However it is my opinion that the whole episode was conducted in a very amateurish and unprofessional fashion. 

I am of the opinion that the clothing should have been transported in individual evidence bags.

Your opinion is that it would have made no difference ~ it is my opinion the manner in which it was transported would either have been inadmissible or totally destroyed by a competent lawyer if the case had ever reached court.

I find it puzzling that the location of the checks seems to have been considered of such importance. 
If Eddie didn’t alert to the clothing in the villa ~ why on earth would he alert to the same clothing in the second or third location?

[Brietta]

Right...


Doesn't suggest a thorough sweep of the apartment.

If you check back on the threads you will locate the video of Eddie rampaging through the villa ~ playing with CC ~ running over beds ~ being directed into and out of wardrobes and sideboards.

The clothing was there ~ CC was there and as stated were then conveyed to two different locations.

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Eddie goes immediately to the lounge. He comes to a stop in front of a wicker armchair on which is lying Madeleine's small pink soft toy,
The soft toy and all the clothes from the house are placed into boxes specially made to preserve evidence.


Therefore three checks were carried out on the clothing.