The crying incident as reported by Kate McCann.

[Redblossom]

Not weird but about as pointless as the thread on woofers has become. Only my opinion of course 
Off to listen to a bit of heavy metal; well if I am going to have a headache it's a better way of having one.
Catch you rater

LOL too true!!, enjoy, off myself

[AnneGuedes]

Solution meaning "solution IMO to how PF and KM descriptions of hearing / not hearing the crying are both truthful "

I see : you're a conciliator ! The benefit of changing not only the date but also how long the crying lasted is that either PF and KM would have said the truth ! How does that lead to a solution for Madeleine's disappearance if you please ?
And out of curiosity, are you as worried about Mr McCann's eventual lies ?

[Mr Gray]

I see : you're a conciliator ! The benefit of changing not only the date but also how long the crying lasted is that either PF and KM would have said the truth ! How does that lead to a solution for Madeleine's disappearance if you please ?
And out of curiosity, are you as worried about Mr McCann's eventual lies ?

remember there is only one proven, convicted liar in this sorry affair...amaral...calling gerry a liar is just your opinion

[pegasus]

Mrs F states the crying continued until about 23:45.
Read the independent barman's statement, he states it was WED night the adults returned late.

[Redblossom]

Mrs F states the crying continued until about 23:45.
Read the independent barman's statement, he states it was WED night the adults returned late.

Which one?

Jeronimo Rodrigues states this: which puts wednesday night's end much later (the night they stayed longer for more drinks)

Generally, they left the Tapas at 23h30/midnight, at times together and at other times in small groups. On the night in which they drank more than usual, they left a bit later, perhaps towards 00h30-01h00. I remember this detail because I was supposed to finish work at 00H00 and I wanted to go home.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JERONIMO-SALCEDAS.htm

[pegasus]

Which one?

Jeronimo Rodrigues states this: which puts wednesday night's end much later (the night they stayed longer for more drinks)

Generally, they left the Tapas at 23h30/midnight, at times together and at other times in small groups. On the night in which they drank more than usual, they left a bit later, perhaps towards 00h30-01h00. I remember this detail because I was supposed to finish work at 00H00 and I wanted to go home.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JERONIMO-SALCEDAS.htm

Yes and also we have the waiter Oliveiras who says on Wed night the group moved from the table to the bar and stayed until about 0000 or 0010.
However the first adult to return to sleep at 5A on Wed did not stay at the bar as long as the others.

[Redblossom]

Yes and also we have the waiter Oliveiras who says on Wed night the group moved from the table to the bar and stayed until about 0000 or 0010.
However the first adult to return to sleep at 5A on Wed did not stay at the bar as long as the others.

Yes, of course you are quite right, he did say in his other statement they didnt all always leave together at the same time, my apologies, but still, how can you be sure it was only the wednesday night someone returned at 11.45 pm judging by what that waiter said (that I linked to)

[pegasus]

Yes, of course you are quite right, he did say in his other statement they didnt all always leave together at the same time, my apologies, but still, how can you be sure it was only the wednesday night someone returned at 11.45 pm judging by what that waiter said (that I linked to)

The sources that on Wed night the first adult returned home to sleep earlier than the others (who remained longer in enclosed bar) are IIRC KM book ch4 and KM statement 6Sept2007.

[Redblossom]

The sources that on Wed night the first adult returned home to sleep earlier than the others (who remained longer in enclosed bar) are IIRC KM book ch4 and KM statement 6Sept2007.

But that doesnt prove that no one returned home at a similar time on tuesday which is the whole point here as you are trying to suggest the cryng incident Mrs Fenn heard could have been the Wednesday and not the Tuesday




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[pegasus]

But that doesnt prove that no one returned home at a similar time on tuesday which is the whole point here as you are trying to suggest the cryng incident Mrs Fenn heard could have been the Wednesday and not the Tuesday
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If hypothetically it was Wed night, as I am proposing, it is easy to prove that the second adult returning would not have heard it, and would have known nothing about it at all that night (everyone else asleep) and would only learn when told the next morning.

[Redblossom]

If hypothetically it was Wed night, as I am proposing, it is easy to prove that the second adult returning would not have heard it, and would have known nothing about it at all that night (everyone else asleep) and would only learn when told the next morning.

Oh I see, but you have lost me there, as I dont see the relevance of it

[Silkywhiskers]

Back when I was a new mum, Jimmy Barnes played at our local oval.

The most exciting thing to happen around here in decades and I'm a huge fan.

My next door neighbour arranged for us to sit on her front verandah to hear it better, my house was tucked behind hers.

I went to the effort of borrowing a baby monitor, bought my wine and was ready to listen to some sweet tunes.

First of all i had to ask my neighbour to check she heard me as I went back to the babys room to whisper in the monitor.  Baby slept soundly but I was paranoid as a mum.

All worked well.  My neighbour heard my whispers, the thing was working just fine.

So I went back to the verandah...sat there for about 2 minutes then thought, "is that monitor still working?  Its so quiet" so I had to ask the neighbour to listen again, run back to whisper again etc.

It became obvious after about 10 minutes that I was going to miss hearing that concert.  My nerves, mothering instinct, whatever, made me go home to my baby.  I simply could not trust a little piece of machinery to tell me my most precious possession was safe and sound.

The McCanns did not even trouble themselves with a monitor - the first night or the last, when they KNEW about Madeleine and Sean crying the evening/s before.

They just skipped off without a backward glance.

This is not the action of normal parents.  Even their cronies had monitors.

[pegasus]

Oh I see, but you have lost me there, as I dont see the relevance of it

Basically if you stick with the crying being Tue night then logically the child would report it Wed morning so what some posters would do is probably use the "oh that whole Thu morning report by child never happened" line, but I think the Thu morning report did happen and refers to Wed night

[Mr Gray]

Back when I was a new mum, Jimmy Barnes played at our local oval.

The most exciting thing to happen around here in decades and I'm a huge fan.

My next door neighbour arranged for us to sit on her front verandah to hear it better, my house was tucked behind hers.

I went to the effort of borrowing a baby monitor, bought my wine and was ready to listen to some sweet tunes.

First of all i had to ask my neighbour to check she heard me as I went back to the babys room to whisper in the monitor.  Baby slept soundly but I was paranoid as a mum.

All worked well.  My neighbour heard my whispers, the thing was working just fine.

So I went back to the verandah...sat there for about 2 minutes then thought, "is that monitor still working?  Its so quiet" so I had to ask the neighbour to listen again, run back to whisper again etc.

It became obvious after about 10 minutes that I was going to miss hearing that concert.  My nerves, mothering instinct, whatever, made me go home to my baby.  I simply could not trust a little piece of machinery to tell me my most precious possession was safe and sound.

The McCanns did not even trouble themselves with a monitor - the first night or the last, when they KNEW about Madeleine and Sean crying the evening/s before.

They just skipped off without a backward glance.

This is not the action of normal parents.  Even their cronies had monitors.

I had a tear in my eye reading that amazing story

[Redblossom]

Basically if you stick with the crying being Tue night then logically the child would report it Wed morning so what some posters would do is probably use the "oh that whole Thu morning report by child never happened" line, but I think the Thu morning report did happen and refers to Wed night

Its simple pegasus, the child cried both nights, perhaps not as much on the wednesday