The crying incident as reported by Kate McCann.

[j.rob]

The conversation about padeophiles that they allegedly had shortly before Madeleine was allegedly abducted.  That extraordinarily inapprpriate conversation (assuming it ever happened which I doubt - would be interesting to see if the police interviewed the father who claimed her felt like a 'dirty old man' videoing his three year old) that would have been included so that Kate could raise in the reader's mind that idea of a paedophile abduction.

The detail in the book about Madeleine's final days. Too much information here - it feels fabricated. It is over-embellished, over-elaborated. It reads like a concoction. The descriptions of what Madeleine was wearing. It feels fake, like a purple passage.

Which leads me to believe that something happened to Madeleine the night of 1st May when Mrs Fenn heard crying from the apartment. Which adults, if any, were in the apartment at the time. To my mind, those final two days are crucial to the case. If my hunch is correct (and many others seem to be thinking along similar lines) that give the McCanns and anyone else involved two days in which to get their ducks in a row.

As Kate said herself: 'The first 48 hours you are non-functioning'. The first 48 hours of what, exacty?

[jassi]

The conversation about padeophiles that they allegedly had shortly before Madeleine was allegedly abducted.  That extraordinarily inapprpriate conversation (assuming it ever happened which I doubt - would be interesting to see if the police interviewed the father who claimed her felt like a 'dirty old man' videoing his three year old) that would have been included so that Kate could raise in the reader's mind that idea of a paedophile abduction.

The detail in the book about Madeleine's final days. Too much information here - it feels fabricated. It is over-embellished, over-elaborated. It reads like a concoction. The descriptions of what Madeleine was wearing. It feels fake, like a purple passage.

Which leads me to believe that something happened to Madeleine the night of 1st May when Mrs Fenn heard crying from the apartment. Which adults, if any, were in the apartment at the time. To my mind, those final two days are crucial to the case. If my hunch is correct (and many others seem to be thinking along similar lines) that give the McCanns and anyone else involved two days in which to get their ducks in a row.

As Kate said herself: 'The first 48 hours you are non-functioning'. The first 48 hours of what, exacty?

Exactly. So many bits of their story come across as convenient back-fill to support their later position.

[pegasus]

IMO there is a possibility Mrs F may have day wrong and maybe it was Wed not Tue, SY could easily check by getting the landline record for the phonecall by witness PF to friend EG which was made during the crying so it will confirm the day Tue or Wed with some certainty IMO.

[jassi]

IMO there is a possibility Mrs F may have day wrong and maybe it was Wed not Tue, SY could easily check by getting the landline record for the phonecall by witness PF to friend EG which was made during the crying so it will confirm the day Tue or Wed with some certainty IMO.

One would hope that they have done so, but I suppose it depends on how thoroughly they have  looked into those aspects of the case - something we have no way of knowing.

[pathfinder73]

One would hope that they have done so, but I suppose it depends on how thoroughly they have  looked into those aspects of the case - something we have no way of knowing.

Agreed and Pamela Fenn was sure she wasn't in on WED 2 MAY.

[Benice]

I think Kate talked about it to the group and included it in her book to introduce the idea that an abductor entered the room on the evening before Madeleine was allegedly abducted. As Anne wrote - a tree to hide the wood. Kate uses this strategy a lot.

It may also have been a decoy with regards to Mrs Fenn having heard crying from the McCanns apartment for an hour and a quarter on 1st May. By making this comment, it might cast doubts on whether Mrs Fenn had got the wrong evening for the crying incident.

But, primarily, I think it was to introduce the idea that the abductor had entered the apartment the previous evening and had disturbed the children. Kate claims that at the time that Madeleine made this comment they were not unduly worried as Madeleine herself did not seem that upset about it the next day and she mentioned it 'and moved on'.

As with so much that Kate says and writes, this comes over as, at best disingenuous and, at worst, completely deceptive. By claiming that Madeleine 'moved on' after having mentioned the incident she is somehow shifting the responsibility from the parents onto Madeleine.

So, rather than questioning Madeleine further and then, crucially NOT LEAVING HER AND HER SIBLINGS ALONG AGAIN THE FOLLOWING EVENING, what does Kate do? She subtly implies that it was not that important as Madeleine chose 'to move on'.

Kate and Gerry play games like this the whole time. Every little trick in the book to plant decoys, remove themselves from having to take any responsibility, apportion blame on others and generally duck and dive. It's almost as though they are playing a game (remembers; everyone is playing a role, some quite big, according to Gerry.)

A responsible parent would feel guilty for not having been there when the children cried. Would feel especially guilty that an almost four year old was left to listen to her younger sibling cry. And then be forced to ask the parents the next day why they didn't come.

And what answer did the McCanns give when Madeleine asked why the did not come when one of the children was crying. What would have been the honest answer?

'We didn't come because we chose to leave you alone with your two year old siblings and we were too far away to hear you cry. We did check on you from time to time but obviously the crying happened between checks.'

But, not only did the McCanns not answer the question, they did NOTHING to reassure Madeleine that  this wouldn't happen again. On the contrary, they left the children unattended the following evening and didn't even bother to check on them themselves between approx 9pm and 10pm , allegedly getting a friend to listen outside the apartment at 9.30pm Which left plenty of periods of time when one or all of the children could have woken up and cried.

Kate has already, helpfully, made it clear that the parents were eating and drinking out of ear-shot of their children so they would not have heard them if they were crying. Which meant that, on the following evening, exactly the same thing could have happened.

But, in fact, what did happen? Rather than trusting their instincts and being responsible having listened to the concerns of their daughter, they were even less careful resulting in - allegedly - an abductor being able to enter the unlocked apartment and stealing Madeleine.

Don't you see - none of this ever had anything to do with Madeleine. It was all about the McCanns. Everything Kate and Gerry say and do is about THEM. Even when they appear to be showing concern for Madleleine, it is really only an attempt to justify their behaviour.

They are psychopaths. Gerry especially. Kate is co-dependent.

IMO If they wanted to dishonestly introduce the idea that someone had been in the apartment the night before they certainly would not have said what they did - putting themselves in a bad light when they could just as easily have said Madeleine told them she had a nasty dream about a man in her room.    And of course if they WERE psychopaths that is exactly the sort of thing they would have done.   

What psychopathic behaviour have you noticed them displaying which apparently people who have actually spent time with them over the last 30 years or so -  seem to have so spectacularly missed?

As far as I know being 'co-dependent' is not a characteristic of a psychopathic personality disorder.

[Eleanor]

Mrs. Fenn could also have got the wrong appartment.  I often hear noises here and can't tell precisely where they are coming from.  And I am not deaf either.  Although Mrs. Fenn could have been.

[jassi]

None of the others in the group have come forward to claim that it was their child crying, so one might reasonably assume that it wasn't.

[Lyall]

Mrs. Fenn could also have got the wrong appartment.  I often hear noises here and can't tell precisely where they are coming from.  And I am not deaf either.  Although Mrs. Fenn could have been.

For over an hour?

[Eleanor]

None of the others in the group have come forward to claim that it was their child crying, so one might reasonably assume that it wasn't.

It could have been in another block close by.  It didn't have to be one of the tapas children.

[jassi]

It could have been in another block close by.  It didn't have to be one of the tapas children.

You know for a fact that there were other children closely adjacent ?

Of course, Kate admits that Madeleine was crying, merely disputes which night. If she was crying one night, she may well ahve been crying on other nights, too.

[Eleanor]

You know for a fact that there were other children closely adjacent ?

Of course, Kate admits that Madeleine was crying, merely disputes which night. If she was crying one night, she may well ahve been crying on other nights, too.

Do you know for a fact that there weren't other children close by?

[jassi]

No. Stalemate 

[Redblossom]

How many threads are required to go over and over and over  this issue?


It's all been thrashed out before


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3197.0

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1805.0

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2773.0

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1237.0

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2026.0

There may be some more but I got fed up of searching

[Eleanor]

Everything has been thrashed out before.