The crying incident as reported by Kate McCann.

[John]

IMO there is a possibility Mrs F may have day wrong and maybe it was Wed not Tue, SY could easily check by getting the landline record for the phonecall by witness PF to friend EG which was made during the crying so it will confirm the day Tue or Wed with some certainty IMO.

But Mrs Fenn went out visiting on the Wednesday evening because presumably she didn't want to listen to a repeat of the previous evenings crying.  Remember that she was so concerned about the crying that she phoned her friend to ask her what to do.  The very friend she visited the next day.

Both Gerry and Kate speak of Madeleine asking them on the Thursday morning as to why they didn't come when the twins were crying.  So are we to infer that the children were crying on both the Tuesday and Wednesday nights?

[Benice]

But Mrs Fenn went out visiting on the Wednesday evening because presumably she didn't want to listen to a repeat of the previous evenings crying.  Remember that she was so concerned about the crying that she phoned her friend to ask her what to do.  The very friend she visited the next day.

Both Gerry and Kate speak of Madeleine asking them on the Thursday morning as to why they didn't come when the twins were crying.  So are we to infer that the children were crying on both the Tuesday and Wednesday nights?

Russell stayed in with his little girl who was poorly - and about the same age as Madeleine.   It could have been her calling for her daddy if she wasn't feeling well and was having trouble sleeping.      And it could have been Jayne opening their patio doors to go in when she returned from the Tapas Resturant at the end of the evening.    There would be no need for them to lock the patio door that night because Russell was at home - so it makes sense for Jayne not to have to take the long way round on that occasion.

If Mrs Fenn was that worried then I think she would have said something to either the McCanns (put a note through their door maybe?) or the OC reception the next day.

If they had cried for any length of time on Wednesday night, Rachael who was next door for the whole evening would have heard them.

If Mrs Fenn had been interviewed as a matter of urgency - being so close to the 'crime' scene,  this may well have all been sorted out very quickly  IMO.       

[pegasus]

But Mrs Fenn went out visiting on the Wednesday evening because presumably she didn't want to listen to a repeat of the previous evenings crying.  Remember that she was so concerned about the crying that she phoned her friend to ask her what to do.  The very friend she visited the next day.
Both Gerry and Kate speak of Madeleine asking them on the Thursday morning as to why they didn't come when the twins were crying.  So are we to infer that the children were crying on both the Tuesday and Wednesday nights?

I agree that the PF statement, as transcribed, says Tuesday.
However IMO there is a slight possibility that transcription may be incorrect.
Very easy to check with just one letter from PJ to landline phone company to ask whether the 23:00 call was Tue or Wed.

[pathfinder73]

Russell stayed in with his little girl who was poorly - and about the same age as Madeleine.   It could have been her calling for her daddy if she wasn't feeling well and was having trouble sleeping.      And it could have been Jayne opening their patio doors to go in when she returned from the Tapas Resturant at the end of the evening.    There would be no need for them to lock the patio door that night because Russell was at home - so it makes sense for Jayne not to have to take the long way round on that occasion.

If Mrs Fenn was that worried then I think she would have said something to either the McCanns (put a note through their door maybe?) or the OC reception the next day.

If they had cried for any length of time on Wednesday night, Rachael who was next door for the whole evening would have heard them.

If Mrs Fenn had been interviewed as a matter of urgency - being so close to the 'crime' scene,  this may well have all been sorted out very quickly  IMO.       

"The witness had no doubt that the noise came from the floor below."

[pegasus]

If there was crying after 10:30pm on Wed evening would person in 5B have heard it?

A person in 5B not well enough to go to dinner is after 10:30pm likely to be asleep in the bedroom (it is a one-bedroom apartment).

If there was crying in 5A child bedroom, this may be likely to awake a person in 5B bedroom, because those rooms are adjacent (seperated by only one internal wall).

However if there was crying in 5A other bedroom or lounge, this is less likely to awake a person in 5B bedroom, because those rooms are not adjacent to 5B bedroom.

All hypothetical

[Benice]

"The witness had no doubt that the noise came from the floor below."

The floor below involves more than one apartment.   Several posters who live in similar circumstances have said that it's not easy to distinguish where sounds originate from.   Jez Wilkins partner(?)  has related how they could hear laughter etc drifting up from the McCanns and their friends from the outside Tapas Restaurant- when they were on their balcony.     Where the crying came from is not as black and white as some people would like to believe IMO.

[stephen25000]

All i see is pretty pathetic excuses to prop up the assertion that the McCanns did no wrong. FGS they even told you about a crying incident they had no prior knowledge of and intimated that it could have been an intruder present. Why are we still getting lame excuse after lame excuse as to how it wasn't from the McCanns apartment? Just except it was Madeleine and deal with it! After all it doesn't have to ruin anybodys abduction theory.

it's all about making excuses buzz, on behalf of the mccanns.

It has become increasingly nauseating and won't stop by their obsessive followers.

[slartibartfast]

it's all about making excuses buzz, on behalf of the mccanns.

It has become increasingly nauseating and won't stop by their obsessive followers.

It is the asserting the perfection of the McCann that actually diminishes any good arguments they have.

[Angelo222]

So by the looks if it all three were bawling at one stage or other.  Charming parenting skills.

I read in the rotatory that Kate slept in the children's bedroom because Gerry had ignored her at the tapas.  Not all sweetness and light then??

[Eleanor]

So by the looks if it all three were bawling at one stage or other.  Charming parenting skills.

I read in the rotatory that Kate slept in the children's bedroom because Gerry had ignored her at the tapas.  Not all sweetness and light then??

Which one of the tapas seven said that?  It obviously wasn't Kate herself.

PS. Have you ever taken out a woman and then ignored her?

[stephen25000]

PS. Have you ever taken out a woman and then ignored her?

What has that got to do with this case ?

[Eleanor]

What has that got to do with this case ?

I might be able to tell you if I knew why Kate sleeping in the children's room seems to have developed sinister connotations.

[Lyall]

I might be able to tell you if I knew why Kate sleeping in the children's room seems to have developed sinister connotations.

It's in their book isn't it?

[Benice]

It is the asserting the perfection of the McCann that actually diminishes any good arguments they have.

LOL at the supreme irony  - when it is the unrelenting mantra of most sceptics imo that, without exception, EVERYTHING the McCanns do is wrong and EVERYTHING they say is wrong.    They were even slagged off and criticised for raising money for charity in some quarters.   

''Damned if they Do and Damned if they Don't'' describes the McCanns perfectly IMO.

[sadie]

So by the looks if it all three were bawling at one stage or other.  Charming parenting skills.

Where did you get that from Angelo?  I have never read or heard that all three were bawling or crying at any time.  Have I missed it?  Is it fact?

I read in the rotatory that Kate slept in the children's bedroom because Gerry had ignored her at the tapas.  Not all sweetness and light then??

Some of you guys seem to get real pleasure out of anything that is in the slightest bit against The Mccanns.  What is it to you?  Most couples have had odd spats in their marriage .  Are you married / with partner, Angelo?  Have you never had a spat with your other half?  What would you think if people started pulling your relationship apart based on a spat?  Publicly.