The crying incident as reported by Kate McCann.

[slartibartfast]

Most couples have had odd spats in their marriage .  Are you married / with partner, Angelo?  Have you never had a spat with your other half?  What would you think if people started pulling your relationship apart based on a spat?  Publicly.

I suppose the issue is the presentation of the perfect family, all sweetness and light. Most of us realise that couples have arguments. This is a serious argument a very short time before Madeleine disappeared and has to be investigated.

[Eleanor]

I suppose the issue is the presentation of the perfect family, all sweetness and light. Most of us realise that couples have arguments. This is a serious argument a very short time before Madeleine disappeared and has to be investigated.

Hardly serious.  Jeezuz.

[jassi]

Hardly serious.  Jeezuz.

How would we know whether it was or not ?

[Eleanor]

How would we know whether it was or not ?

Divorced, are they?

[jassi]

Divorced, are they?

Not that we know of, but how is that relevant to the question?

[Eleanor]

Just to prove that I don't always unfairly bash the McCann's, I'd have to agree with you here Eleanor.

I've been in the unfortunate position too many times where my wife has unleashed hell on me and things usually get resolved within a day or two. The thing is that I would consider myself to be well behaved and respectful towards my wife but unfortunately little things can seem much more serious and lead to temporary animosity. My experience is that it's only once things are discussed in a less volatile moment that things get smoothed out and disagreements put to rest.

Thank you.  As you say, just minor dust ups.

[Redblossom]

And if  it was the Obrien child neither he mentions it or any one of the others mentioned hearing anything on all their "checks" that night, or after, id they went home before 11.45 and presumably all being the lower floor would hear it clearer than Mrs Fenn too. Not as if they didn't go into the tiniest details on everything else in their rogatories. Oh, maybe they weren't asked though!

[Eleanor]

But Madeleine is reported to have said that two of them were crying.  Did Mrs. Fenn report two of them crying?

[pathfinder73]

Only one child crying for her Daddy i.e. Madeleine. The cleaner came in on WED 2 MAY and said one cot was in the parents bedroom. All those phone calls on Kate's mobile just before 10.30pm. Many unanswered questions regarding the night of TUE 1 MAY.

"Kate McCann’s mobile was next activated six times, in rapid fire, between 22.16 and 22.27, after she had returned to Apartment 5A after dinner. The antenna traffic proves that these calls were not made to any of the “Tapas 9”."

[Eleanor]

I could have sworn that Mrs. Fenn said she heard A CHILD crying.

[pathfinder73]

I could have sworn that Mrs. Fenn said she heard A CHILD crying.

It's perfectly clear in her statement that she is referring to Madeleine - child was older than 2.

"She also said that she never told the McCann's that she had heard their daughter crying previously on 1st May because she thought it would just increase their suffering."

[jassi]

Yes so what makes you think that an independent witness is lying?

Simple. The McCanns never lie, its always someone else.

[Eleanor]

Yes so what makes you think that an independent witness is lying?

So why didn't she hear the other child crying as well?

[jassi]

Which other child?

[Eleanor]

Which other child?

Madeleine is reported to have said that HER AND SEAN WERE CRYING.  Why did Mrs. Fenn not hear Sean crying?