The crying incident as reported by Kate McCann.

[jassi]

Yers, but that doesn't necessarily make it true. She was talking about a different day.

[Eleanor]

Yers, but that doesn't necessarily make it true. She was talking about a different day.

So are you saying that Madeleine cried on two days, but somehow failed to wake Sean or Amelie on one of those days? 

[jassi]

So are you saying that Madeleine cried on two days, but somehow failed to wake Sean or Amelie on one of those days?

I couldn't say. Can you?
They clearly couldn't be woken on Thursday night. Why should other nights be different?

[icabodcrane]

So are you saying that Madeleine cried on two days, but somehow failed to wake Sean or Amelie on one of those days?

That is one of the things that I find odd about Mrs Fenn's  witness statement

She heard just one child crying   (  in an increasingly distressed way )  for over an hour,   suggesting that the crying did not wake up the other two children  (  who would,  if they  had  been awoken,  surely have begun crying too  ) 

The explanation might lie,  I suppose,  in the fact that the twins were extraordinarily heavy-sleepers   ...  the night Madeleine went missing is testemony to that 

Absolute mayhem going on all around ...  and they never once stirred

[Eleanor]

I couldn't say. Can you?
They clearly couldn't be woken on Thursday night. Why should other nights be different?

But Sean was crying on one night, so he must have woken.  But on another night Madeleine was crying so loudly for an hour and a quarter that Mrs. Fenn could hear her, but she didn't wake Sean in the same room.

[jassi]

But Sean was crying on one night, so he must have woken.  But on another night Madeleine was crying so loudly for an hour and a quarter that Mrs. Fenn could hear her, but she didn't wake Sean in the same room.

But how do we know? Only Kate's word of what she says Madeleine told her.

[Sherlock Holmes]

That is one of the things that I find odd about Mrs Fenn's  witness statement

She heard just one child crying   (  in an increasingly distressed way )  for over an hour,   suggesting that the crying did not wake up the other two children  (  who would,  if they  had  been awoken,  surely have begun crying too  ) 

The explanation might lie,  I suppose,  in the fact that the twins were extraordinarily heavy-sleepers   ...  the night Madeleine went missing is testemony to that 

Absolute mayhem going on all around ...  and they never once stirred

Yes, some children are very heavy sleepers and not easily disturbed, or get used to sleeping when there is a lot going on around them.

A friend of mine with a big family used to vacuum the small childrens' cots when they were asleep - and other such things - just to get them acclimatised to sleeping in a busy environment.

[Eleanor]

But how do we know? Only Kate's word of what she says Madeleine told her.

But Kate told at least one of the taps seven about what Madeleine had said before Madeleine was abducted.
And why would Kate add Sean to the mix if it wasn't true?

[jassi]

Kate was only relaying what she says that Madeleine said. Madeleine might not have been telling the truth.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Kate was only relaying what she says that Madeleine said. Madeleine might not have been telling the truth.

An important possibility.

We really have very little to go on here.

[Eleanor]

Kate was only relaying what she says that Madeleine said. Madeleine might not have been telling the truth.

Oh, I see.  Madeleine is a liar now, is she?

[Sherlock Holmes]

Oh, I see.  Madeleine is a liar now, is she?

Not quite a liar. Just being fanciful..or forgetful.. or relaying a dream..

The point is, it's hard for us to know what actually happened there. Nothing concrete to go on.

The question is about how the supposed incident was relayed by KM.

[Eleanor]

Not quite a liar. Just being fanciful..or forgetful.. or relaying a dream..

The point is, it's hard for us to know what actually happened there. Nothing concrete to go on.

The question is about how the supposed incident was relayed by KM.

Or Mrs.  Fenn.  Who could quite possibly have been mistaken about where the crying was coming from.

[icabodcrane]

Oh, I see.  Madeleine is a liar now, is she?

Well Kate herself didn't seem to set much store in what Madeleine had told her 

"Could Madeleine and Sean have woken up while we were at dinner  ?  If so, it was worrying, obviously,  but it didn't seem very probable"

[Sherlock Holmes]

Or Mrs.  Fenn.  Who could quite possibly have been mistaken about where the crying was coming from.

Yes that's true.

One could do a reconstruction with crying from different rooms to see what could have been heard from where...