The crying incident as reported by Kate McCann.

[j.rob]

Thanks for support! I do think the point about Madeleine not telling the truth is - unbelievably really. On so many levels.

Firstly, I do not believe she ever said it. It is not a credible comment from a three year old. I think it was an entirely fabricated conversation by the McCanns. Its purpose was to introduce the idea that a stranger may have entered the apartment on the evening before but fled when the children presumably were disturbed and then fled.

It probably also served to introduce the idea that the children all slept soundly and did not wake at night - or at least not until late at night when the parents would be back (despite evidence to the contrary). This would justify the child-care arrangements.

I think there was probably a further purpose - to show that the evening before Madeleine's alleged abduction Madeleine was fine, even if she did wake up and wonder where her parents were. And to show that the morning of her alleged abduction she was also fine - untroubled by what had happened.

In my opinion the conversation was a complete fabrication.

[Benice]

Thanks for support! I do think the point about Madeleine not telling the truth is - unbelievably really. On so many levels.

Firstly, I do not believe she ever said it. It is not a credible comment from a three year old. I think it was an entirely fabricated conversation by the McCanns. Its purpose was to introduce the idea that a stranger may have entered the apartment on the evening before but fled when the children presumably were disturbed and then fled.

It probably also served to introduce the idea that the children all slept soundly and did not wake at night - or at least not until late at night when the parents would be back (despite evidence to the contrary). This would justify the child-care arrangements.

I think there was probably a further purpose - to show that the evening before Madeleine's alleged abduction Madeleine was fine, even if she did wake up and wonder where her parents were. And to show that the morning of her alleged abduction she was also fine - untroubled by what had happened.

In my opinion the conversation was a complete fabrication.

But that means the McCans were such thickos that it didn't occur to them that they could get exactly the same false message across without putting themselves in a bad light at all.    e.g. '' Madeleine said she'd had a  dream about a man in her room'' - or something similar.    IMO They would have had to be thick to the point of being simpletons not to have realised something so obvious. 

 

[stephen25000]

But that means the McCans were such thickos that it didn't occur to them that they could get exactly the same false message across without putting themselves in a bad light at all.    e.g. '' Madeleine said she'd had a  dream about a man in her room'' - or something similar.    IMO They would have had to be thick to the point of being simpletons not to have realised something so obvious. 

 

'thickos' is definitely the appropriate description for the way two parents left their children in a dangerous predicament.

[Anna]

So how do you explain their willingness to allow a strange man to enter their apartment on 3rd May to check on their children? By that I refer to Matt Oldfield who the children did not know? If the children had been awake then surely the sight of this strange man would have been a frightening experience?

What makes you think that the children didn't know Matt?

[pathfinder73]

They need to find out more about Kate's phone calls just before Madeleine is reported to have started crying at 10.30. Has anyone got these number details?

"6 calls made in 11 minutes from 10.16 - 10.27pm"  >@@(*&) About Gerry flirting with the quiz mistress

Kate phone activity May 1st:

10.16.42

11.56.06

12.17.21

19.45.03

20.31.31
20.33.32
20.35.58
20.37.24

22.16.15
22.23.15
22.23.28
22.24.22
22.25.36
22.27.50

On Tuesday 1st May 2007, Kate McCann’s mobile first activated the Luz antenna at 10.16, but all details of the day’s calls have been deleted from the handset and there is no nothing in the CD from her mobile provider.

Tuesday night the quiz mistress Miss Nejoua Chekeya did not remember seeing Kate or DP at the tapas.

2 MAY - 5 more calls next morning between 7.36am and 8.55am. At least 3 to Amanda Coxon.

Husband of Amanda Coxon:

Dr Paul Whitaker, chemical pathologist in Leicester. KM texted Amanda, and received a return text, at
0736 on 2 May. KM rang their home number at 0605 on 4 May, and a conversation ensued for 11 minutes.

CLEANER WEDNESDAY MORNING:
Maria Julia S. da Silva

the couple was sleeping in the room located opposite the entrance, where she confirmed the presence of a child’s bed (crib)

[Anna]

Matt did not know the McCanns prior to the holiday other than having met them twice a number of years apart so no scope for knowing the children either. During the day the children attended the creche and at night the children were also not in their company. Matt never once checked on anybody else's children apart from the night of 3rd May when he allegedly checked on the McCanns. Kate was so worried about an intruder that she left the patio door unlocked and allowed a strange man in Matt to check rather than insist on doing it herself.

According to what I just read they ate together on the first night with the children at Millenium restaurant,  travelled together at least some of the way, had lunch together in each others apts and went to the playground with the Kiddies, so not a stranger! Didn't they also go to the beach together at some time?

[pegasus]

---Has anyone got these number details?---

No I can not find those numbers in the published files.
Re the cleaning lady there is a video interview somewhere and she seems very honest IMO.

[pathfinder73]

No I can not find those numbers in the published files.
Re the cleaning lady there is a video interview somewhere and she seems very honest IMO.

Thanks for the info. The cleaner is interviewed here:

[Redblossom]

No I can not find those numbers in the published files.
Re the cleaning lady there is a video interview somewhere and she seems very honest IMO.

Yes hardly a hardened criminal or complicit in any child abduction!! Beggars belief really.

[Mr Gray]

Whilst looking at Gerry's statements I came across this...made before he was aware of Mrs Fenns statement

He cannot say exactly, but he thinks that on Monday or Tuesday MADELEINE had slept for some time in his bedroom, with KATE, as she had told him that one or both twins were crying, making much noise.

[pathfinder73]

Yes what does that mean - Was Gerry in 5A when they were crying or just Kate? How didn't Gerry not hear it? What time was this crying? It's time they started answering some real questions.

[pegasus]

IF hypothetically Mrs F's statement was mistranscribed  and the crying was Wed night:
Note 2 adults return seperately Wed night see statements.
So when Mrs F hears patio door, it is not 2 adults returning as she assumes, it is 1.
Adult 1 returns, opens patio door, comforts child, child stops crying.
Adult 2 returns a few minutes later therefore never hears the crying.

[pathfinder73]

Gerry said Mon or Tue not Wed.

[Benice]

IF hypothetically Mrs F's statement was mistranscribed  and the crying was Wed night:
Note 2 adults return seperately Wed night see statements.
So when Mrs F hears patio door, it is not 2 adults returning as she assumes, it is 1.
Adult 1 returns, opens patio door, comforts child, child stops crying.
Adult 2 returns a few minutes later therefore never hears the crying.

Rachael Oldfield was next door all Wednesday night.  No way could she have missed any prolonged crying from next door. imo.

[pegasus]

Mrs F stated crying stopped at about 23:45.
Just saying if it was WED night then 23:45 fits excellently with the time when adult #1 returns to apartment.