The crying incident as reported by Kate McCann.

[Redblossom]

IMO child in that situation would be out of bed and in lounge at patio door or window.
Thinking about it, there is even a further possibility which would make audibility above even greater and audibility in north end of 5B even lower.

Having trouble understanding that, but do you mean maybe maddie was on the patio crying?  never mind, have to go now
if anything specific by your thinking will have been in the  parents bedroom surely

[pathfinder73]

Why don't you think that Mrs Fenn would remember if the crying happened on the night before she disappeared? It wouldn't be hard to forget that now would it but she clearly said the crying was on TUE 1 MAY. Rachael wasn't in so that explains why she didn't hear any crying. The cleaner said a cot was inside the parents bedroom the next day  >@@(*&) The phone calls made by Kate in 5A just before 10.30 woke Madeleine up from her sleep IMO.

[pegasus]

I never claimed Mrs F got the date wrong. I am claiming that possibly the police english-to-portuguese translation and transcription during her statement got the date wrong. We do NOT have her actual original English words. We are working from what got written down in Portuguese language by the police transcriber.
And yes I am aware of the other sources on this like the early PDL posters "dumbfounded" and "local resident"

[AnneGuedes]

I never claimed Mrs F got the date wrong. I am claiming that possibly the police english-to-portuguese translation and transcription during her statement got the date wrong. We do NOT have her actual original English words. We are working from what got written down in Portuguese language by the police transcriber.
And yes I am aware of the other sources on this like the early PDL posters "dumbfounded" and "local resident"

Forget it, Pegasus, as you seem to reckon that Mrs Fenn's faculties were in a good state, though the contrary was suggested by some posters, you'll have to admit that, when she, looking at the written Portuguese translation of her statement, heard the interpreter translate it back in English, she would have noticed a lost in translation. This was done taking time and sitting at a table. Numbers need no translation and Mrs Fenn knew certainly a few necessary words in Portuguese, like the names of the days.
Would you suspect the interpreter of malice, then you'd have to explain how the police officer who, according to the Portuguese education system, at least studied English for 5 years, didn't react.

[pegasus]

Mrs F states the crying stopped at about 2345 when someone returned.
I am just pointing out that on Wed night the first adult returns at estimated time 2350 and second at estimated time 2355 see 06 Sept statement KM.
So the time matches very well if it was Wed night.

[AnneGuedes]

Mrs F states the crying stopped at about 2345 when someone returned.
I am just pointing out that on Wed night the first adult returns at estimated time 2350 and second at estimated time 2355 see 06 Sept statement KM.
So the time matches very well if it was Wed night.

The time "matches very well" (with a discrepancy of 5/10 minutes), then the interpreter misunderstood and Mrs Fenn was fooled !

[Benice]

Mrs F states the crying stopped at about 2345 when someone returned.
I am just pointing out that on Wed night the first adult returns at estimated time 2350 and second at estimated time 2355 see 06 Sept statement KM.
So the time matches very well if it was Wed night.

So why didn't Mrs Fenn hear the patio doors opening twice?

[pegasus]

So why didn't Mrs Fenn hear the patio doors opening twice?

Mrs F mentions hearing the patio door because it is directly relevant to and linked to the end of of the crying.
I imagine that as soon as she heard someone return home and the crying stop, she would stop worrying and go to bed (in bedroom in north part of 5G), and therefore would not hear the patio door if it was slid again about 5 minutes later.

[pegasus]

The time "matches very well" (with a discrepancy of 5/10 minutes), then the interpreter misunderstood and Mrs Fenn was fooled !

Equally one might ask: How was it possible in her niece CT's first statement for so many details to be transcribed correctly: the location of the gate, the gateman's behaviour, which ways he looked, his hair colour and length, yet for the date to be transcribed completely wrong by 4 days.

[AnneGuedes]

Equally one might ask: How was it possible in her niece CT's first statement for so many details to be transcribed correctly: the location of the gate, the gateman's behaviour, which ways he looked, his hair colour and length, yet for the date to be transcribed completely wrong by 4 days.

What do you mean ? Do you know of a statement that isn't the rog one ?

[Redblossom]

Does it matter at the end of the day if it was Tuesday or Wednesday? Mrs Fenn heard this prolonged crying?


 >@@(*&)

[pegasus]

What do you mean ? Do you know of a statement that isn't the rog one ?

Yes CT made a statement to police on 8th May 2007 and signed the transcript. I don't have the statement itself. But it is clearly referred to in the rog and part of its text is read out so certainly it exists. And BTW the date of CT's arrival was transcribed wrongly (by 28 days!) in that first statement. Just shows how it is possible for a date to be written down wrong even when the witness is not elderly, and even when there is no translator involved.

[pegasus]

Does it matter at the end of the day if it was Tuesday or Wednesday? Mrs Fenn heard this prolonged crying?
 >@@(*&)

It matters if it can prove that a person unjustly accused was it fact telling the truth and genuinely unaware of the crying.

[Redblossom]

Yes CT made a statement to police on 8th May 2007 and signed the transcript. I don't have the statement itself. But it is clearly referred to in the rog and part of its text is read out so certainly it exists. And BTW the date of CT's arrival was transcribed wrongly (by 28 days!) in that first statement. Just shows how it is possible for a date to be written down wrong even when the witness is not elderly, and even when there is no translator involved.

So why did she sign it then? If it was wrong?

[Redblossom]

It matters if it can prove that a person unjustly accused was it fact telling the truth and genuinely unaware of the crying.

I dont get it. The crying was going on continuously for so long therefore if child checks were taking place ever half hour someone will have been aware of it, whatever day it was