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Offline Holly Goodhead

Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology
« on: December 18, 2013, 09:35:29 AM »
 The following link states:

"Many adoptees manufacture fantasies about their birth parents which can lead to dissociative feelings of rage.  The idea of rejection by the adoptees birth parents can sometimes be the catalyst for violent action".

http://ijo.sagepub.com/content/40/3/204.abstract

I believe Sheila was reunited with her birth mother for the first time during April 1985.  Colin Caffell states in his book that Sheila's birth mother, Christine S*****, had not told her other children about Sheila and that her husband was unsupportive of the reunion.  Also given that Christine was based permanently in Canada I guess it would have been difficult to develop a relationship.  I wonder if Sheila felt rejected by her birth mother and was hoping for more especially as by all accounts her relationship with June appeared strained to say the least.

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2013, 11:51:43 PM »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2013, 12:31:23 PM »
This was all covered in detail on page 12 of Blue on a thread started by egap1 entitled "Did Sheila Suffer An Attachment Disorder Resulting In Affectionless Psychopathy?" 

A theory was put forward re dissociative disorder and catathymic rage linked to adoption pathology with attachment disorder as a somewhat separate issue.

I guess those closest to Sheila and Jeremy were Colin and Julie respectively.  In this regard and taking into account the above it is interesting to note that throughout Julie Mugford's witness statements not once does she make reference to adoption even insofar as stating Jeremy was adopted.  I believe the reason for this is that Jeremy very rarely gave the matter any thought.  He considered his adoptive parents as his Mum and Dad period.  This can be further evidenced by the fact that he showed no interest whatsoever in reuniting with his birth parents until after his failed 2002 appeal when he sought their help and support.

Julie Mugford's mother, Mary Mugford, makes reference to the fact he referred to her as "Mummy" and made some adverse comments regarding June specifically around her interest in religion.

The witness statements of Colin Caffell, Freddie Emami, Mrs Brencher (Colin's mother) and Dr Ferguson all make a point of stating that Sheila was adopted and refer to Nevill and June as her adoptive parents.  Or in the case of Freddie Emami he incorrectly refers to June as Sheila's "step-mother".  This to my mind is telling and I believe indicative of the fact that Sheila had a lot of unresolved/unidentified issues surrounding her adoption which she may have touched on with others, hence their comments, and were brought to the fore by her reunion with her birth mother only weeks before the murders.

I accept this is just my take and I may be wildly wrong but I really think it is time that psychiatrists/psychologists and other professionals appropriately qualified in adoption pathology and attachment review the case.

Imo there is a real lack of understanding regarding adoption pathology and attachment.  Consequently these vital aspects are overlooked and instead other more readily understandable motivations for the murders fill the vacuum ie hatred and greed.

How many people have heard of adoption pathology and attachment -v- hatred and greed?  Less than 1% of the population that's for sure.  So in the absence of any real forensic evidence from the soc, certainly based on today's standards, we are presented with two explanations:

Jeremy - motivated by hatred and greed - easily understood by almost everyone

Sheila - mentally ill and diagnosed as a schizophrenic

What if Sheila's diagnosis was incorrect and she was suffering from various issues associated with adoption pathology and attachment?  Might she have suffered a catathymic rage brought on by the reunion with her birth mother and Nevill and June's discussion over the twins' welfare?  Sheila's visit to WHF in August may well have been the first time she had spent any length of time with Nevill and June since meeting with her birth mother in April. 

I certainly think the above should have either been eliminated or accepted as a possibility with some statistical likelihood of it being correct and presented to the jury accordingly.

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Angelo222

Re: Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2013, 01:37:29 PM »
Its all very well constructing these theories about Sheila but it will never alter the evidence.  Jeremy Bamber murdered his family and not Sheila.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2013, 02:28:48 PM »
Its all very well constructing these theories about Sheila but it will never alter the evidence.  Jeremy Bamber murdered his family and not Sheila.

Yes they are just that theories which need eliminating or supporting by relevant professionals.

Imo the 'evidence' would never get to trial today. 

I understand a book is due for release in early spring which is based on fact and approaches the case from a new perspective.  The author I believe is ex-police and served in Essex at one time.  His research has taken his across the globe.  I think I'll reserve judgement until then.  May turn out to be much ado about nothing of course.
There again this might be JB's last prison Christmas dinner  8-)(--)

All I want is the truth and at the moment what is considered the truth doesn't sit comfortably with me.

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2013, 05:01:49 PM »
Just an afterthought which is me talking out loud since I have no friends on Blue or Red aka Billy No-Mates  8)><( 8)><( 8)><(  In fact I've played solo so much on both forums I feel my eyesight has been permanently damaged  8(0(* 8(0(* 8(0(*

The reason Freddie Emami probably referred to June as Sheila's step-mother is that I believe he was from Iran and adoption is not something practiced in Islamic countries.  So it may well be it was something he was unfamiliar with.  Adoption, or certainly 'closed' adoption, is in the main something practiced by English speaking countries. Now how relevant is that in the grand scheme of things?   @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2013, 05:09:15 PM »
Holly, Thank you for the mentions. However, to keep things accurate. I've never served in Essex police, try the National Criminal Intelligence Service. Somebody else on here, for whatever reason, tried to ridicule me with grossly inaccurate fact, associating me with a book upon the Suffolk Strangler - Ipswich Murders. Not me. Try damning Sky Television's Royal correspondent for that.

Further, to stop supposition and guess work, my book is solely based on fact, and whilst being most useful for propping up wobbly tables or other unstable items of furniture, it will also be available in all good book shops, and DIY stores, if its use is for the earlier suggestion!

Hope this helps in some small way.

Hey Mason Doyle you're welcome!  Was that 10% commission on all sales generated from this forum  ?>)()<

Think we were introduced via M  8**8:/: or was that Z  @)(++(*
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline John

Re: Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2013, 06:30:50 PM »
It will have to be something pretty remarkable to upset the very strong evidence that we all have jointly uncovered here on the forum which clears Sheila of any involvement and by default puts Jeremy firmly in the frame.

Should be interesting but just pray it has nothing to do with ali Bongo, Z or dare I say it, Mr T.

In any event isn't the proper place for new evidence with the police or the CCRC?   >@@(*&)
« Last Edit: December 19, 2013, 06:39:24 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2013, 10:09:12 PM »
Oh Myster  8**8:/:  I'm so pleased you posted about Brett Collins.  I was wracking my errrm brains as to why MD would visit New Zealand for his research.  I was even thinking he might be looking at the David Bain case to provide some answers but now realise it is likely to be BC...doh!

I'm pretty sure MD posted up on Blue that many had been responsive to his requests re his research but not JM but that it was her prerogative.  I will try and turn up the relevant post on Blue.

Pretty sure I have seen on Blue that new submissions from SM are winging their way to CCRC.

Think authors are tied up legally with publishers so don't expect he will be spilling the beans on here. If indeed there are any beans to be spilled  8-)(--)
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline simong

Re: Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2013, 10:26:24 PM »
Would love to know if he has spoken to Matthew McDonald. I would buy his book if he has!

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2013, 10:43:43 PM »
Myster  8**8:/:

I remember how helpful you were to me when I joined the forum so the following is the least I could do to return the favour:

If you care to Google 'Jeremy Bamber Forum Mason Doyle' it will bring up relevant links:

'Hello - I'm her too'!  Reply #40 relates to JM (wow I remembered that from 2012)

'Paul Harrison AKA Mason Doyle' Reply #6 relates to research taking him to New Zealand

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2013, 11:30:03 PM »
Reader has just posted up on Blue wondering whether MD has interviewed JB.  Reader is normally spot on but has obviously missed the fact that MD posted up that he had met with JB, on several occasions I believe.

MD's background certainly seems to lend itself to the type of book he intends to have published.  I've read all the other JB books bar Scot Lomax's.  Colin's is obviously unique and poignant written by a grieving father.  It does offer some valuable insights into the family dynamics too.

Claire Powell is the equivalent of a tabloid.

Roger Wilkes I found very informative and objective but I don't think his investigative skills were up to much in terms of digging  8(0(*

None seem to have the background of MD: ex-cop/NCIS, judges' clerk, experienced true crime-writer.

All will be revealed with the passage of time  >@@(*&)
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Re: Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2013, 05:30:40 AM »
Hello hun, good to see you back ! (at least for a little while)... Wie geht's ?
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline puglove

Re: Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2013, 09:27:28 AM »
Hello hun, good to see you back ! (at least for a little while)... Wie geht's ?

Es gehts mir gut, danke!!         8((()*/
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.