Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology

[Holly Goodhead]

Well, I'm sure we all welcome Mason Doyle to the board, what struck me as a little odd (and please correct me if I am wrong) was that for an author of so many books he seemed reluctant to disclose what previous publications he had written which didn't go unnoticed on the blue forum at the time. And if there is any prospect of releasing Bamber surely a book isn't going to help as much as evidence given to the courts?

Judging by this link (assuming this is Mason Doyle) it does look like he is going to try to claim Bamber is innocent.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Book+cop+I'll+show+Bamber's+innocent.-a0337437563

It also looks like the tasters of what he is going to focus on have been done to death on the Blue forum and successfully debunked by the Red forum each and every time.

Obviously I'll withhold further judgement until we have seen what he has to say in detail.

I'm pretty sure I've seen posts on Blue from MD saying if its not from him personally take it all with a pinch of salt and that he has been misquoted. We have no idea how accurate the article from 'thefreelibrary.com' actually is?  There again how do we know for sure the 'MD' posting on Blue and Red is the real McCoy?

This tells a little more about what appears to be the real McCoy:

 http://www.murderarchiveuk.com/

[Holly Goodhead]

I kind of understand why he doesn't want to discuss the actual content of the book until it's published, that kind of makes a little sense. However, if you have written a load of other publications why wouldn't you want to publicise these so a lot more people who were previously unaware of your work might want to check these out? I always thought published authors wanted to widen their potential readership as more readers means more money. I guess I was wrong. If you have written 30 books then why not name them and tell people where you can buy them or read them? Of course this would give potential readers a clue as to what sort of a writer he is and allows us a hint at what sort of format the Bamber book would take as well.

I could only find a couple.  Does he write under different pseudonyms? 

I believe with the Cuckoo's Calling by J K Rowling written under the pseudonym Robert Galbraith the entire book was analysed by computer to look for similarities with other authors and that's how they hit on J K Rowling.  Many critics had overlooked this.

[Holly Goodhead]

The Queen's Christmas Message 2013:

I have the utmost respect for the Queen and I am neutral on monarchy-v-republic but this year I found the following interesting:

"I once knew someone who spent a year in a plaster caste recovering from an operation on his back.  He read a lot and thought a lot and felt miserable.  Later he realised this time of forced retreat from the world had helped him to understand the world more clearly."

I do hope that if Jeremy Bamber's conviction is ever quashed he is afforded similar consideration despite it being unconstitutional to do so!

"Here at home my own family is a little larger this Christmas.  As so many of you will know the arrival of a baby gives everyone the chance to contemplate the future with renewed happiness and hope"

The civil servants obviously forget to advise the Queen about the apology earlier this year by the former PM of Australia, Julia Gillard, regarding forced adoption:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hVbokTpYeg

[puglove]

I can understand tragic old gimmers like Belton, susan ingham and Methuselah Lookout wishing that Bamber was innocent; Mike is as mad as a hatter (how's his brain rumour, by the way? It must be as big as a melon by now), and Nellybelly is vainly hoping for a bob or two to bail him out.......but why someone as obviously intelligent as you, Holly? Do you honestly think that Sheila shot herself twice?

[Holly Goodhead]

I can understand tragic old gimmers like Belton, susan ingham and Methuselah Lookout wishing that Bamber was innocent; Mike is as mad as a hatter (how's his brain rumour, by the way? It must be as big as a melon by now), and Nellybelly is vainly hoping for a bob or two to bail him out.......[/color]but why someone as obviously intelligent as you, Holly? Do you honestly think that Sheila shot herself twice?[/color]

Well thank you puglove for your kind words

Based on the pathologist's report I certainly think it is possible that Sheila shot herself twice

Point 46 from CoA document:

46. From the pathological evidence alone, the pathologist could not say, one way or the other, whether Mrs Caffell had been murdered or had taken her own life.

[Holly Goodhead]

On 21st March 2013 Julia Gillard, former PM of Australia, made a public apology to birth families and adoptees regarding forced adoption.  At 5.27 in she states:

"In particular we remember those affected by these practices who took their own lives.  Our profound sympathies, our profound sympathies go to their families."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hVbokTpYeg

How do we know Sheila was not affected by the above and took her own life?

[John]

Well thank you puglove for your kind words

Based on the pathologist's report I certainly think it is possible that Sheila shot herself twice

Point 46 from CoA document:

46. From the pathological evidence alone, the pathologist could not say, one way or the other, whether Mrs Caffell had been murdered or had taken her own life.

Apologies for going off topic but there is no way in this world that Sheila Caffell could have shot herself in the neck twice without leaving blood smears all over her neck, on the trigger mechanism and on her fingers.  In any event how did she aim the second shot?  Did she use a mirror to place the muzzle of the rifle?

Truth is that only an assassin could have taken that shot, a shot which just so happened to be the last bullet in the rife.  There is much much more of course relating to the shooting of Sheila which I won't go into on this thread.  One last point though, the pathologist did say that the first shot would have stunned/incapacitated Sheila so she must have been Superwoman to have taken that second shot.

The reality is that the shooter had to be Jeremy or Sheila, nobody else could have managed it.  By default therefore if it wasn't Sheila who shot herself it doesn't take much to work out who really did it.

The saying goes, there are none so blind as those who will not see and the Bamber case is the classic example of this.

[Holly Goodhead]

Apologies for going off topic but there is no way in this world that Sheila Caffell could have shot herself in the neck twice without leaving blood smears all over her neck, on the trigger mechanism and on her fingers.  In any event how did she aim the second shot?  Did she use a mirror to place the muzzle of the rifle?

Truth is that only an assassin could have taken that shot, a shot which just so happened to be the last bullet in the rife.  There is much much more of course relating to the shooting of Sheila which I won't go into on this thread.  One last point though, the pathologist did say that the first shot would have stunned/incapacitated Sheila so she must have been Superwoman to have taken that second shot.

The reality is that the shooter had to be Jeremy or Sheila, nobody else could have managed it.  By default therefore if it wasn't Sheila who shot herself it doesn't take much to work out who really did it.

I don't feel qualified to say one way or the other just relying on the pathologist's report as above where he states he is unable to confirm suicide or murder.

I think he is still practising and I'm not aware of any professional misconduct ie incompetence etc

http://www.petervanezis.com/

[Holly Goodhead]

Just noticed on his website under the 'high profile cases' section he has not mentioned WHF  >@@(*&)

[Holly Goodhead]

Just noticed on his website under the 'high profile cases' section he has not mentioned WHF  >@@(*&)

Now noticed it states "recent" so this would explain why he has not made ref to WHF

[Holly Goodhead]

FAO Reader on Blue

Hi Reader Hun 

I'm replying to your post #202 from the innocence project thread (page 3 of main discussion board as @ 03.01.14) due to my lifetime ban from Blue by the 3 x witches: April Fool, Hayley and Saggie over Susan's weight (of course all 3 know Susan and her weight intimately).

I'm puzzled that it took you over 4 months to respond!  And even more puzzled by the points you make!   

You regard boarding school, especially when there's little need for it, as unusual.  How does one decide when there's a need for it?  I assume you would see a need if the parents are away eg military, diplomatic services, working overseas?

Our current PM was a boarder.  His father a stockbroker in the City and his mother, I believe, a stay-at-home wife/mother so I guess no need for DC to board at Eton?  I believe he followed his father and elder brother.  These things are often family tradition.  Nevill I believe was a boarder so he probably thought he was doing good by Sheila and Jeremy by providing the same education as he had experienced.

Do you have any firm evidence of an increase in social hierarchy at boarding school?  I think you will find hierarchies exist either formally or informally in all social settings including elite boarding schools and high security prisons.

You believe boarders find life outside of school more difficult than would otherwise be the case?  Doesn't seem to hold back many of the ruling elite who attended boarding school?  In terms of JB imo he seemed well-adjusted.  He held down paid employment in customer facing roles ie he was able to get along with customers, colleagues and managers/owners alike.  He was able to look after himself and form new friendships whilst travelling around the Antipodes.  He formed intimate relationships with Suzette Ford, Julie Mugford and Anji Greaves.  Noone came forward with any adverse comments about the relationship per se.

June's version of Christianity appears to be bound up with sexual morality which she seemed to think women were responsible for!  Hence we have Sheila as Devil's child and Julie Mugford as a harlot.  No such evidence of name calling towards Jeremy or Colin Caffell.  There is evidence that the twins were forced to spend time praying in June's company.  I am not sure what they were to atone for.

How do you know Jeremy was caused "slight problems" by having to put with Nevill and June?  I'm pretty sure that more restrictions would have existed at boarding school than time spent at WHF.  I guess he was isolated from other boarders/friend's when at WHF but no doubt they all exchanged visits.  As a boy I am sure he would have enjoyed time on the farm with Nevill.  He also had a sister in Sheila. 

The only documented evidence re warped states is from Peter Vanezis as follows:

"I then discussed the two possibilities: If it wasn't Sheila it had to be Jeremy.  We went over the information and I expressed the views that Jeremy would have to be a nutter to have done what occurred, in that he must have had such a warped state of mind to engineer it in the manner in which it was presented.  This was almost too incredible to believe".

Often victims of MoJ's are a little different from mainstream society in some shape or form eg Stephen Downing had a low iq; Stefan Kiszko was socially akward, Maguire seven etc were Irish etc, etc.  IMO the fact Jeremy was adopted and attended boarding school singled him out and others perceived him, wrongly IMO, as being cold and detached.  Of course Sheila was also adopted and attended boarding school but society/culture tells us that men are aggressive and capable of extreme violence and women passive and yielding. 

The only other person I am aware of who was adopted and attended boarding school is the country's much respected former journalist, Kate Adie.

Over and out Reader  xxx

[simong]

You believe boarders find life outside of school more difficult than would otherwise be the case?  Doesn't seem to hold back many of the ruling elite who attended boarding school?  In terms of JB imo he seemed well-adjusted.  He held down paid employment in customer facing roles ie he was able to get along with customers, colleagues and managers/owners alike.  He was able to look after himself and form new friendships whilst travelling around the Antipodes.  He formed intimate relationships with Suzette Ford, Julie Mugford and Anji Greaves.  Noone came forward with any adverse comments about the relationship per se.

Have a read of Matthew McDonalds statement. His opinion was that he believed that JB had hit Suzette when they were in a relationship and that JB was a cold person. There are so many contradictory opinions of JB's personality, all from different sources. The truth is probably somewhere in between the two extremes.

I wonder how many of his friends from the time of the crime have stayed in touch with him?

[Holly Goodhead]

I would like to read Matthew McDonald's statement, are you able to make it available?

There's a thread on here re Suzette Ford and as far as I can see she seems to portray JB in a positive light:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=193.msg2097#msg2097

She also attended his trial throughout I believe for moral support.

I believe some of JB's pre-prison friends have stayed in touch with him.

I don't believe Brett Collins keeps in touch which I find a little odd  >@@(*&)  Perhaps he so believed in JB's innocence and found the trial/outcome so upsetting that the only way he could deal with it was to remove himself physically and mentally  >@@(*&)

For all we know some of the posters on Blue might know JB of old 

[goatboy]

I'd be very surprised if he's still in contact with pre-prison friends. Something that seems to crop up again and again with Bamber is that he very quickly falls out with people (or just dumps them when he feels they have outgrown their usefulness), Mike Tesko, Jackie Preece (you remind me very much of her, Holly), Giovanni di Stefano (I had quite an amusing exchange of views about Bamber with his son on Facebook once who is a mutual friend of one of mine), Ewen Smith etc.

This to me (coupled with the fact that even when they do fall out people seem to continue to be blindly loyal even when they would have every right to be angry with Jeremy for dumping them) would seem to back up the theory that he is a very manipulative person.

I sometimes think Brett Collins might hold a lot of answers to many of the questions we have about the case. It would be good if he were to resurface and come forward.

[John]

I would like to read Matthew McDonald's statement, are you able to make it available?

There's a thread on here re Suzette Ford and as far as I can see she seems to portray JB in a positive light:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=193.msg2097#msg2097

She also attended his trial throughout I believe for moral support.

I believe some of JB's pre-prison friends have stayed in touch with him.

I don't believe Brett Collins keeps in touch which I find a little odd  >@@(*&)  Perhaps he so believed in JB's innocence and found the trial/outcome so upsetting that the only way he could deal with it was to remove himself physically and mentally  >@@(*&)

For all we know some of the posters on Blue might know JB of old 

McDonalds police statements are already on the forum Holly.

www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=57.0