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Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: The Find Madeleine website, Tannerman & the e-fits
« Reply #45 on: December 20, 2013, 08:28:17 PM »
Apparently the efits were done about a year and a half after the events, c Sept 2008

Now to throw another spanner in the works, Carlos Anjos, I dont know his exact title, but he is or was head or spokesman of the policemans union, dont quote me on that though....suggested one of the faces was an age progression of the other...Andy Redwood never mentioned this in CW, so Im not sure if CA was speculating or not....but as with your example in the previous posts, an age progression would surely have similarities to the younger face, these two do look like two separate people....or the same person seen by different people who have come up with a different face....why does nothing much in this case make sense? Could it be too many chefs in the kitchen?

Anyway, here is a link to CAs tv interview and translation....around paragraph six or so


http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2013/10/carlos-anjos-release-of-e-fits-is-very.html

Fascinating Red. I'm going to look at the interview shortly.

If it is supposed be an age progression, it's not a very good one!

Only cranial surgery would change a person that much.

Offline Carana

Re: The Find Madeleine website, Tannerman & the e-fits
« Reply #46 on: December 20, 2013, 09:08:02 PM »
Well that's true, Carana, but you're looking at it from the angle of someone who is following the case very closely and has a lot of background information in mind when viewing the programme.

I was trying to put myself in the shoes of the average viewer, who will of course be very aware of the case but probably won't know a lot of detail. (I didn't pay very close attention to it until about 12 months ago. Before then, I had read only headlines. Only when I started reading more did I learn of the existence of so-called 'Smithman', for example, and other things that we on this site take for granted).

The fact that we and SY know the reason why two e-fits were composed - different impressions resulting from descriptions given by members of a group - does not make the interpretation or recognition of those images any easier for the public. They are being faced with visual information that is essentially quite contradictory.

If you are going to get a strong message across to the public it has to be done clearly and simply. In advertising for example, the message has to be strongly made and relatively simple. That is not to insult the audience, who have a sophisticated relationship with the media today. You can be sophisticated  -with graphics; with a certain selling point or interesting angle that you are going to take. But you still have to be clear in your message, and, especially in a short bit, that normally means sticking to one point and elaborating on it, and leaving out the rest.

Perhaps SY thought they were doubling their chances of finding Smithman by releasing a 'double' image - but in effect they were just clouding people's minds. IMO.

There was an interesting comment by.... by... (her name escapes me for the moment, I'll add it when I find it Jacqui? From the police). From what I remember, she was saying that it would be unusual to present so many faces to the public, but that it was a special opportunity.

Personally, if I'd been there (or even not), that Crimewatch programme would have made me try to think back - again - in case there was something that I hadn't noticed or didn't seem relevant at the time. It might have been a situation, but it might also have been a face that I knew from elsewhere.

What if someone who wasn't in PdL at the time recognised one of those faces? Much of any incoming info will just be to eliminate potential people. If Smithman recognises himself and is just an innocent person carrying a child, then it would help to come forward. During the mega media frenzy and the police leaks, some people may have hesitated.

AnneGuedes

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Re: The Find Madeleine website, Tannerman & the e-fits
« Reply #47 on: December 20, 2013, 09:14:16 PM »

Only cranial surgery would change a person that much.
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Before and after...
That reminds me of Humphrey Bogart in Dark Passage.

Offline Myster

Re: The Find Madeleine website, Tannerman & the e-fits
« Reply #48 on: December 20, 2013, 09:16:02 PM »

There was an interesting comment by.... by... (her name escapes me for the moment, I'll add it when I find it Jacqui? From the police). From what I remember, she was saying that it would be unusual to present so many faces to the public, but that it was a special opportunity.
Jacqui Hames ?
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Carana

Re: The Find Madeleine website, Tannerman & the e-fits
« Reply #49 on: December 20, 2013, 09:20:25 PM »
Apparently the efits were done about a year and a half after the events, c Sept 2008

Now to throw another spanner in the works, Carlos Anjos, I dont know his exact title, but he is or was head or spokesman of the policemans union, dont quote me on that though....suggested one of the faces was an age progression of the other...Andy Redwood never mentioned this in CW, so Im not sure if CA was speculating or not....but as with your example in the previous posts, an age progression would surely have similarities to the younger face, these two do look like two separate people....or the same person seen by different people who have come up with a different face....why does nothing much in this case make sense? Could it be too many chefs in the kitchen?

Anyway, here is a link to CAs tv interview and translation....around paragraph six or so


http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2013/10/carlos-anjos-release-of-e-fits-is-very.html

Eta
Seems the video link on JMs blog is not working, here is an alternative

http://cmtv.sapo.pt/opiniao/detalhe/carlos-anjos-divulgacao-de-retrato-robo-e-muito-pouco-profissional.html

Thanks Red.

Who had been arrested a month prior for child pornography by Manchester police??

Offline Carana

Re: The Find Madeleine website, Tannerman & the e-fits
« Reply #50 on: December 20, 2013, 09:21:12 PM »

Redblossom

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Re: The Find Madeleine website, Tannerman & the e-fits
« Reply #51 on: December 20, 2013, 09:27:54 PM »
Fascinating Red. I'm going to look at the interview shortly.

If it is supposed be an age progression, it's not a very good one!

Only cranial surgery would change a person that much.

Oh that made me LOL!!! SH!


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I wonder whch is supposed to be the younger and older....probably the one with the big doey eyes....ones eyes dont grow with age, rather they shrink.....
« Last Edit: December 20, 2013, 09:29:47 PM by Redblossom »

AnneGuedes

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Re: The Find Madeleine website, Tannerman & the e-fits
« Reply #52 on: December 20, 2013, 09:33:49 PM »
Oh that made me LOL!!! SH!


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I wonder whch is supposed to be the younger and older....probably the one with the big doey eyes....ones eyes dont grow with age, rather they shrink.....
They've the same age imo, i.e no age.. That's why esthetical surgery is a good idea..


Redblossom

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Re: The Find Madeleine website, Tannerman & the e-fits
« Reply #54 on: December 20, 2013, 09:42:16 PM »
They've the same age imo, i.e no age.. That's why esthetical surgery is a good idea..

It's surreal OK!

I've said in the past I have never come across any case where there were so many suspects and or efits involved...it must be fairly unprecedented.....as I said before, too many cooks in the kitchen!

Offline Carana

Re: The Find Madeleine website, Tannerman & the e-fits
« Reply #55 on: December 20, 2013, 09:49:14 PM »
IIRC it was this story


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-british-man-arrested-2366183

Or

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/video-highly-significant-arrest-brit-6180155

Quick denial after by police it had anythng to do with this case

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/police-deny-manchester-man-held-6180591

Thanks. Anjos was going off UK tabloids seemingly.

But Greater Manchester Police have 'categorically' denied any link between the arrest and Madeleine, saying it had 'nothing to do' with the continuing investigation into the youngster's whereabouts.

A GMP spokesman told the M.E.N.: “I can categorically say that no one has been arrested as part of the Madeleine McCann investigation.

“It has nothing to do with Madeleine McCann, that's all I can say.”



Lyall

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Re: The Find Madeleine website, Tannerman & the e-fits
« Reply #56 on: December 20, 2013, 09:51:02 PM »
It could also be down to the quality of the technology used to create the e-fits? If the technology was inadequate with not enough choice to get it exactly right then all the witnesses are left with is next best.

In this instance I would hope the witness would speak up and voice their concern regarding the lack of similarity? Perhaps they did but the creators have gone ahead with releasing the e-fits simply because they are clutching at straws?

Marshall McLuhan might have had some of the answers. We might be missing the point of why they did Crimewatch.

Did anyone believe 9.15 man was an abductor anyway? All they really did was swap one doubtful sighting for another.

Most of the audience would be unaware the 10pm sighting had almost completely been ignored previously.

AnneGuedes

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Re: The Find Madeleine website, Tannerman & the e-fits
« Reply #57 on: December 20, 2013, 09:53:06 PM »
It's surreal OK!

I've said in the past I have never come across any case where there were so many suspects and or efits involved...it must be fairly unprecedented.....as I said before, too many cooks in the kitchen!
Exactly.
But not by chance..
Have you ever come across a case with so many dead suspects ?

Redblossom

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Re: The Find Madeleine website, Tannerman & the e-fits
« Reply #58 on: December 20, 2013, 09:54:11 PM »
Thanks. Anjos was going off UK tabloids seemingly.

But Greater Manchester Police have 'categorically' denied any link between the arrest and Madeleine, saying it had 'nothing to do' with the continuing investigation into the youngster's whereabouts.

A GMP spokesman told the M.E.N.: “I can categorically say that no one has been arrested as part of the Madeleine McCann investigation.

“It has nothing to do with Madeleine McCann, that's all I can say.”


Yes, he said what the police stated, this detainment had nothing to do with the Maddie case.....

Redblossom

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Re: The Find Madeleine website, Tannerman & the e-fits
« Reply #59 on: December 20, 2013, 09:55:55 PM »
Exactly.
But not by chance..
Have you ever come across a case with so many dead suspects ?

Three I can count, unless I forgot anyone else, er, no.....