The 'Abductor' & the Sliding Door

[Wonderfulspam]

RTE Late Show Interview 13th May 2007


Gerry McCann:(21.00)

"I just knew someone had taken her there's no way she could have got out of that apartment alone"

Interviewer:(22.50)

"Why did you Kate, why did you think immediately that she was abducted & hadn't wandered out of the apartment or gone somewhere?  Why was that such gut reaction for you do you think?

Kate McCann:

"There was absolouteley no way a 3 year old could open those shutters & the window.

Interviewer:

"Simple as that"

Kate McCann:

"Simple as that you know and people you know obviously saying 'you know are you sure she didn't wander off' I say well the shutter was up and the window was open, I'm not lying about that, and even if they want to say theoretically, 'oh she wandered out the back of the apartment', then they're basically saying a three-year old has opened the long curtains, closed them behind her, opened the patio doors, closed them behind her, opened the gate at the top of the stairs, closed that behind her (GM interjecting: 'with the child lock') and done the same at the bottom... you know it's just not... it's not possible."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLvnfcl-Zkg&feature=player_detailpage


And so thanks to Kate we now know that if the 'abductor' left via the patio door he must have closed the curtains behind him, closed the patio door behind him & locked the child gate behind him also.

[Mr Moderator]

RTE Late Show Interview 13th May 2007


Gerry McCann:(21.00)

"I just knew someone had taken her there's no way she could have got out of that apartment alone"

Interviewer:(22.50)

"Why did you Kate, why did you think immediately that she was abducted & hadn't wandered out of the apartment or gone somewhere?  Why was that such gut reaction for you do you think?

Kate McCann:

"There was absolouteley no way a 3 year old could open those shutters & the window.

Interviewer:

"Simple as that"

Kate McCann:

"Simple as that you know and people you know obviously saying 'you know are you sure she didn't wander off' I say well the shutter was up and the window was open, I'm not lying about that, and even if they want to say theoretically, 'oh she wandered out the back of the apartment', then they're basically saying a three-year old has opened the long curtains, closed them behind her, opened the patio doors, closed them behind her, opened the gate at the top of the stairs, closed that behind her (GM interjecting: 'with the child lock') and done the same at the bottom... you know it's just not... it's not possible."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLvnfcl-Zkg&feature=player_detailpage


And so thanks to Kate we now know that if the 'abductor' left via the patio door he must have closed the curtains behind him, closed the patio door behind him & locked the child gate behind him also.

Very good point WS.   An abductor carrying a child would not take the time to close the safety gate behind him.  That point alone must put the emphasis firmly back on the front door yet again as the chosen point of exit.

[Wonderfulspam]

Very good point WS.   An abductor carrying a child would not take the time to close the safety gate behind him.  That point alone must put the emphasis firmly back on the front door yet again as the chosen point of exit.

Interesting you should say that as I had come to the opinion the front door was locked & so had Kate....

Kate McCann ‘Madeleine’

"For a long while we would assume that the abductor had entered and exited through the window of the children's bedroom, but it is equally possible that he used the patio doors or even had a key to the front door."

It's quite clear then that the front door was locked and the 'abductor' required a key to exit.

[AnneGuedes]

Interesting you should say that as I had come to the opinion the front door was locked & so had Kate....

Kate McCann ‘Madeleine’

"For a long while we would assume that the abductor had entered and exited through the window of the children's bedroom, but it is equally possible that he used the patio doors or even had a key to the front door."

It's quite clear then that the front door was locked and the 'abductor' required a key to exit.

I don't think the "lock" part is clear. She means the abductor had a key to get in.

[AnneGuedes]

Very good point WS.   An abductor carrying a child would not take the time to close the safety gate behind him.  That point alone must put the emphasis firmly back on the front door yet again as the chosen point of exit.

Who said it was closed and, moreover, when ?
Besides why should that security gate be closed if children are sleeping ?
And why, after leaving the sliding door-window open for Madeleine to get out in case she wakes up, would they close the toddler security gate ?

[Wonderfulspam]

I don't think the "lock" part is clear. She means the abductor had a key to get in.

So if he had a key to get in why on earth did he open the window & shutters?
(according to Kate which she was keen to stress she wasn't lying about, and in doing so clearly implies she is lying about something else).

[AnneGuedes]

So if he had a key to get in why on earth did he open the window & shutters?
(according to Kate which she was keen to stress she wasn't lying about, and in doing so clearly implies she is lying about something else).

Yes, logically if she says she's not lying on A means she's lying on B..
The window and shutters were said open off the record for Mrs McCann knowing immediately that Madeleine had been taken. Officially they could be a red herring.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Interesting you should say that as I had come to the opinion the front door was locked & so had Kate....

Kate McCann ‘Madeleine’

"For a long while we would assume that the abductor had entered and exited through the window of the children's bedroom, but it is equally possible that he used the patio doors or even had a key to the front door."

It's quite clear then that the front door was locked and the 'abductor' required a key to exit.

The front door key scenario puts paid to the idea of a casual burglar / speculative abductor.

Which contradicts both Tanner and Smith sightings, as they are much more suggestive of a casual or amateurish operation.

[pathfinder73]

Smithman is an abductor, a burglar, owned a key to the door, he must have some great inside information. >@@(*&)

An abductor having a front door key is the only possible way for it to be successful IMO. In and out the front door very quickly. That window is a No No! If he entered the back patio door way then I doubt he would have wasted time in closing everything behind him. None of this explains the moving door - moved before Gerry's check, moved again before Matt's check and unbelievably moved a third time before Kate's check (all in an hour). Once they've gone through all the possibilities they will only be left with one main suspect and his name is Smithman.

[Wonderfulspam]

Smithman is an abductor, a burglar, owned a key to the door, he must have some great inside information. >@@(*&)

An abductor having a front door key is the only possible way for it to be successful IMO. In and out the front door very quickly. That window is a No No! If he entered the back patio door way then I doubt he would have wasted time in closing everything behind him. None of this explains the moving door - moved before Gerry's check, moved again before Matt's check and unbelievably moved a third time before Kate's check (all in an hour). Once they've gone through all the possibilities they will only be left with one main suspect and his name is Smithman.

David Payne rogatory interview:

"...essentially you needed the key you know, to use, if I remember to gain access into the, err into the apartment, and you know generally it was difficult because there was, you know we'd ask about more than one key, there was the only one key to the apartment."

[Sherlock Holmes]

Smithman is an abductor, a burglar, owned a key to the door, he must have some great inside information. >@@(*&)

An abductor having a front door key is the only possible way for it to be successful IMO. In and out the front door very quickly. That window is a No No! If he entered the back patio door way then I doubt he would have wasted time in closing everything behind him. None of this explains the moving door - moved before Gerry's check, moved again before Matt's check and unbelievably moved a third time before Kate's check (all in an hour). Once they've gone through all the possibilities they will only be left with one main suspect and his name is Smithman.

Mine too. A casual burglar may have tried to enter the patio doors, seeing the house was dark. If he had not been surveilling the property in advance, he would not have known that the residents were dining so close by and were in view (roughly speaking) of the back of the apartment.

An abductor on the other hand would have had to have been far more organised and careful.

Hard to reconcile organisation and care with Smithman's antics, however. Hope SY aren't putting all their eggs in one basket.

[Sherlock Holmes]

David Payne rogatory interview:

"...essentially you needed the key you know, to use, if I remember to gain access into the, err into the apartment, and you know generally it was difficult because there was, you know we'd ask about more than one key, there was the only one key to the apartment."

Only one key in the universe to the apartment?

What if a guest lost it?

[Wonderfulspam]

Only one key in the universe to the apartment?

What if a guest lost it?

Guests would appear to have lost far worse things than keys at the ocean club.

The loss of a key could easily be resolved by a locksmith.
 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Guests would appear to have lost far worse things than keys at the ocean club.

The loss of a key could easily be resolved by a locksmith.

I believe the key itself was hard to copy. Several references to this on earlier threads. In practice, it was more like a master key that not every locksmith would be willing / able to reproduce for any customer.

Not the kind of key you can get copied in the high street.

Possibly points to an inside job or someone who had a key from a previous operation?

[AnneGuedes]

Guests would appear to have lost far worse things than keys at the ocean club.

The loss of a key could easily be resolved by a locksmith.

The OC had obviously copies. Staff with access to the keys know very well that in case of a burglar they'll be interviewed, so they're careful.