The 'Abductor' & the Sliding Door

[Wonderfulspam]

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3112.msg114800#msg114800

If you truly have missed them then i apologise.  This is the most recent ... 6 reasons here but a couple of otherrs that I cannot always remeber are on other similar lists.  As you can see this was only 5 days ago.

Tbh, Wspam I am fed up to the teeth of typing the damned thing.  I am a slow one fingered typist.

I say 7 but if I collected all the possible reasons, there are probably more like 10

5)  To give moral support to the lifter.


Peering through the window and cheering  'go abductor'!

[John]

It isn't as if the manager wasn't warned.  The British staff complained that even during the daytime strangers were wandering in of the street to use the facilities. 

[Wonderfulspam]

Just to list a few

1)  As an escape route in emergency
2)  To take the investigators eye off the door as the entrance point.  Why?  Because this pointed to someone with access to OC keys being involved
3)  To give the false impression for the Golden period that Madeleine had climbed out of the window and wandered off..  The first few hours are the Golden ones
4)  To pass drugs and give instructions
5)  To give moral support to the lifter.
6)  For the lifter to watch for anyone coming from the car park direction



4) To pass drugs and give instructions

'Here you go mate, it's your turn on this spliff ,now pick that girl up off the bed & carry her out the door".

[sadie]

5)  To give moral support to the lifter.


Peering through the window and cheering  'go abductor'!

What a factious comment !

Wspam, it appears thta two people were on the spot, because anyone lifting Madeleine would have had Madeleines head on her right arm, yet bundleman had the head on his left arm. Seems Madeleine was passed to someone else.  There has been speculation that a member of OC Staff may have done the actual lifting, most likely a female member of staff that Madeleine knew.  Like a cleaner or a waitress or a nanny.  Someone who likely would need moral support.

Now before everyone starts shouting, I am aware that SY have let out about a father carrying his child back from the creche about 35 minutes later .... but that doesn't necessarily exclude bundlemman .... and neither does it exclude elaborate red herrings

Red herrings have been laid throughout this case.

[Wonderfulspam]

Looking at the distance from the door to Madeleines bed it seems a bit far fetched that the abductor would waste time opening the window for an escape route. He need only pick her up and walk back out the door with her.

[Sherlock Holmes]

It isn't as if the manager wasn't warned.  The British staff complained that even during the daytime strangers were wandering in of the street to use the facilities.

Financial expediency no doubt. Now they are paying for it. Can't imagine the resort will ever be as popular as it once was.

But back to an abductor. If the club was so easy to access, keys were theoretically attainable to far more people than just  the staff.

[sadie]

Just to list a few

1)  As an escape route in emergency
2)  To take the investigators eye off the door as the entrance point.  Why?  Because this pointed to someone with access to OC keys being involved
3)  To give the false impression for the Golden period that Madeleine had climbed out of the window and wandered off..  The first few hours are the Golden ones
4)  To pass drugs and give instructions
5)  To give moral support to the lifter.
6)  For the lifter to watch for anyone coming from the car park direction



4) To pass drugs and give instructions

'Here you go mate, it's your turn on this spliff ,now pick that girl up off the bed & carry her out the door".

Drugs as in Chloroform or some such

Come on WSpam, surely you are not that obssesed by drugs that you can only think of narcotics and the illegal type ?

[sadie]

Looking at the distance from the door to Madeleines bed it seems a bit far fetched that the abductor would waste time opening the window for an escape route. He need only pick her up and walk back out the door with her.

Thinking cap on WSpam

If someone came thru the patio doors, the lifter would not walk towards that person.  He/she would dash away ... NOT towards and get thru that window as fast as possible..

Now can we stop wasting time on rather twee comments, please.

[Sherlock Holmes]

What a factious comment !

Wspam, it appears thta two people were on the spot, because anyone lifting Madeleine would have had Madeleines head on her right arm, yet bundleman had the head on his left arm. Seems Madeleine was passed to someone else.  There has been speculation that a member of OC Staff may have done the actual lifting, most likely a female member of staff that Madeleine knew.  Like a cleaner or a waitress or a nanny.  Someone who likely would need moral support.

Now before everyone starts shouting, I am aware that SY have let out about a father carrying his child back from the creche about 35 minutes later .... but that doesn't necessarily exclude bundlemman .... and neither does it exclude elaborate red herrings

Red herrings have been laid throughout this case.

Well that's the way that Jane Tanner's bundleman was carrying his child. And SY's innocentman agreed to be photographed carrying a child in that position, so he must have remembered carrying the child like that on the night, or acknowledged the possibility  - and presumably given a reason for it.

How does it follow that a carrier other than JT's bundleman / SY innocentman - red herring or not - was also carrying a child in that unusual manner ?

[sadie]

Well that's the way that Jane Tanner's bundleman was carrying his child. And SY's innocentman agreed to be photographed carrying a child in that position, so he must have remembered carrying the child like that on the night, or acknowledged the possibility  - and presumably given a reason for it.

How does it follow that a carrier other than JT's bundleman / SY innocentman - red herring or not - was also carrying a child in that unusual manner ?

Agreed.  Good observation .   A very tiring way to carry a child.  My guess is that the child had not been carried very far.

The night creche, when coming by that round about route, up the main road, was a good distance.  Did work it out once.

[AnneGuedes]

Presumably these burglaries would have been known at the Ocean Club. The Club would have been duty bound to discuss them with police if asked about any suspicious goings-on at the club with regard to the Madeleine case / suspicious people in the area.

SY can't investigate in Portugal. There's nothing in the files.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Agreed.  Good observation .   A very tiring way to carry a child.  My guess is that the child had not been carried very far.

The night creche, when coming by that round about route, up the main road, was a good distance.  Did work it out once.

So in other words, we're still saying there was a passer?

Wasn't the passer's presence an inference from the way the child was being carried in the street? Take that out of the equation and there is nothing to suggest the presence of another person...

[Sherlock Holmes]

SY can't investigate in Portugal. There's nothing in the files.

I didn't think there was anything in the files.

But SY must have got their information from somewhere. Presumably the PJ?

[AnneGuedes]

It isn't as if the manager wasn't warned.  The British staff complained that even during the daytime strangers were wandering in of the street to use the facilities.

Where have you seen that, John ?

[AnneGuedes]

I didn't think there was anything in the files.

But SY must have got their information from somewhere. Presumably the PJ?

No. The PJ isn't in charge of burglaries, unless there's some agression. The PSP (public security police) is.