Statistically...what are the chances that Maddie was abducted..

[Eleanor]

I dont know what it is but I know what I think.....and the Mccanns dont come out all innocent and rosy.......their whole performance actions behaviour and words is bizarre at best.....I dont trust them I dont believe them......they are as dodgy as hell IMO

Evasive duo...also vexatious litigants.....not consistent with normal parents of a missing child plus their accounts are dodgy plus thy have told half truths and untruths all along.....

This is such a distortion of the facts that I don't know how you have got the brass neck to be so spiteful and misleading.

[Victoria]

I agree with you very much that they have said and done a lot of things that are odd. Ill-advised and not their fault some of them, but odd nonetheless.

As you know I am more than willing to criticise the McCanns for this aspect of their actions, as I don't believe they are doing themselves any favours by handling some things in the way they do. But being odd in itself is not a crime, nor evidence of one.

I would say there is a lot more 'abnormal' behaviour displayed by those who spend their lives obsessing over the McCanns than there is by the McCanns. By a long, long way.

[Redblossom]

I agree with you very much that they have said and done a lot of things that are odd. Ill-advised and not their fault some of them, but odd nonetheless.

As you know I am more than willing to criticise the McCanns for this aspect of their actions, as I don't believe they are doing themselves any favours by handling some things in the way they do. But being odd in itself is not a crime, nor evidence of one.

But you cant know  what was advised and what wasnt and whether they took said advice......and whch  parts of their performances were theirs or advised ones!

Yes being odd is not a crime neither is being unbeleivable...but this is not a court of law.....I dont believe them, I dont trust them, they just dont elicit that at all...and tbh before reading kate mccanns book released in 2011 i was willing to give them benefit of the doubt but that piece of nonsense gelled my intuitions....hw ungrateful she was to so many people and how she stuck the knife in so many.....horrible woman! She also told a few porkies in it, oops

[Redblossom]

This is such a distortion of the facts that I don't know how you have got the brass neck to be so spiteful and misleading.

tough if you dont like truths, your problem and yours alone......

[AnneGuedes]

Yes, that would be very difficult.

But if you're saying that the media campaign is a tiger rather than the McCanns themselves (even if they unleashed it) are you saying it's not a deliberate cover-up?

The first obvious untruth concerning what happened to Madeleine was the forced shutter/window told to family and friends, there's no doubt about that. I'm pretty sure it was a private cover-up, the people who count for them had to see them as victims. I don't think they were aware to start a global cover-up.
Unfortunately the family and friends were so convinced (and I would have been) that Madeleine had been abducted and so frustrated because they couldn't act that they alerted the media repeating the story of the jemmied/smashed/broken shutter/window, a story that left absolutely no doubt about Madeleine's fate. This is how started a rumour in which the McCanns were caught before they could realise what happened.
They could have denied it tough, but they didn't, the private cover-up was gaining worldly dimensions by proxy, too good!
With a bit of imagination they would have understood that they were passing the point of no-return.

[Sherlock Holmes]

But you cant know  what was advised and what wasnt and whether they took said advice......and whch  parts of their performances were theirs or advised ones!

Will chew on that point  8-)(--)

But let's say the libel trials for example. The McCanns surely instructed lawyers to pursue these cases. It doesn't go the other way around.

Can't imagine anyone advising them to take on  their recent case with Amaral.  It has been so badly prepared by their legal team. Ironic given the vast expense of Carter-Ruck and others.

[Eleanor]

Will chew on that point  8-)(--)

But let's say the libel trials for example. The McCanns surely instructed lawyers to pursue these cases. It doesn't go the other way around.

Can't imagine anyone advising them to take on  their recent case with Amaral.  It has been so badly prepared by their legal team. Ironic given the vast expense of Carter-Ruck and others.

You won't know that until the verdict.

[Sherlock Holmes]

You won't know that until the verdict.

True... but we already saw their very weak choice of witnesses, for example. Didn't seem to advance their arguments much.

[Mr Gray]

Will chew on that point  8-)(--)

But let's say the libel trials for example. The McCanns surely instructed lawyers to pursue these cases. It doesn't go the other way around.

Can't imagine anyone advising them to take on  their recent case with Amaral.  It has been so badly prepared by their legal team. Ironic given the vast expense of Carter-Ruck and others.

I don't see that they had any choice but to persue Amaral for libel...we have a multitude of posters here claiming that things must be true if they don't sue...look at the times article...I don't see its been badly prepared...it seems more like the peculiarities of the Portuguese legal system thats the problem

[Sherlock Holmes]

Redblossom raises a good point regarding the question of what the McCanns are in control of and not in control of vis-a-vis the campaing.

Perhaps a new thread topic.

[Sherlock Holmes]

I don't see that they had any choice but to persue Amaral for libel...we have a multitude of posters here claiming that things must be true if they don't sue...look at the times article...I don't see its been badly prepared...it seems more like the peculiarities of the Portuguese legal system thats the problem

Interesting observation, davel. Let's start a new thread.

[Mr Gray]

I dont know what it is but I know what I think.....and the Mccanns dont come out all innocent and rosy.......their whole performance actions behaviour and words is bizarre at best.....I dont trust them I dont believe them......they are as dodgy as hell IMO

Evasive duo...also vexatious litigants.....not consistent with normal parents of a missing child plus their accounts are dodgy plus they have told half truths and untruths all along.....plus they have railroaded other peoples lives and accused innocents of possibly being inolved.....plus they have blamed the whole world and its wife for madeleines demise.....

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 None of this has any basis apart from being your opinion.....I don't see any of it as true and neither do the  half a million likes on their facebook page

[jassi]

I don't see that they had any choice but to persue Amaral for libel...we have a multitude of posters here claiming that things must be true if they don't sue...look at the times article...I don't see its been badly prepared...it seems more like the peculiarities of the Portuguese legal system thats the problem

Just because the Portuguese legal system is different, it doesn't make it peculiar - or is that an excuse in case the decision goes against them?

[AnneGuedes]

My suggestion is that it would take a very sick person to drive such a huge campaign if they were guilty of something.

Certainly, if "sick" means a disturbed mind. But disturbed minds don't orchestrate campaigns unless they have all powers.
The McCanns don't fit in here. Actually who sees them first doesn't notice them and then finds them quite modest, very different of what they are in interviews. They have learnt how to behave in front of cameras and they obviously like it, not because they enjoy their celebrity, but because they have an opportunity to enact verbally their story. Imo.

[Mr Gray]

stats, its extremely rare........MOST abused and or abducted kids are at the hands of family and or family friends.......so no, not 50 50 she was abducted...more like 95/5

bbl

 This is a much abused statistic,,,adults who harm children are rarely the biological parents...have alcohol/drug issues...are in abusive relationships and so on....The McCanns do not fit this profile