Statistically...what are the chances that Maddie was abducted..

[Benice]

So Benice, evidence of abduction ?

davel couldn't  provide any.

Why do you need to try and hide behind the skirts of the Needhams ?

Does it make you feel better ?

Most people believe the Needhams, but don't believe the Mccanns.

Ulike the McCanns the Needhams have not had to contend with scores  of [ censored word ]s and others spreading hundreds of lies, myths and disinformation about them all over the internet - much of which is still believed and touted as fact even though they have long since been discredited.   

There is nothing unusual about referring to the abduction of Ben Needham.   There are similarities in both cases except that in the one case the family is believed and in the other the family is persecuted - and for the above reason IMO.

It is nothing to do with ''hiding behind skirts''?    If you want an example of that then look at all the references to Barry George - who is regularly dragged out as some kind of 'proof' that SY cannnot possibly know what they are doing.    Totally ludicrous IMO.

[stephen25000]

Ulike the McCanns the Needhams have not had to contend with scores  of [ censored word ]s and others spreading hundreds of lies, myths and disinformation about them all over the internet - much of which is still believed and touted as fact even though they have long since been discredited.   

There is nothing unusual about referring to the abduction of Ben Needham.   There are similarities in both cases except that in the one case the family is believed and in the other the family is persecuted - and for the above reason IMO.

It is nothing to do with ''hiding behind skirts''?    If you want an example of that then look at all the references to Barry George - who is regularly dragged out as some kind of 'proof' that SY cannnot possibly know what they are doing.    Totally ludicrous IMO.

Pray tell, what is the success rate of SY in solving crimes ?

How many times have the members of the current team in the investigation, got it wrong ?

You are quite happy to look at Amaral and his other investigations, yet don't like it when SY's failings are discussed.

Why is that ?

[Benice]

You seem to occupy a fantasy world.

It has already been recounted they weren't looking towards thew apartment.

It was dark.

Hailing distance ????This isn't Star Trek.

Quote from Bridget O'Donnell:-

Some of the parents were in a larger group. Most of them worked for the NHS and had met many years before in Leicestershire. Now they lived in different parts of the UK, and this holiday was their opportunity to catch up, to introduce their children, to reunite. They booked a large table every night in the Tapas. We called them "the Doctors". Sometimes we would sit out on our balcony and their laughter would float up around us. One man was the joker. He had a loud Glaswegian accent. He was Gerry McCann.
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[stephen25000]

Quote from Bridget O'Donnell:-

Some of the parents were in a larger group. Most of them worked for the NHS and had met many years before in Leicestershire. Now they lived in different parts of the UK, and this holiday was their opportunity to catch up, to introduce their children, to reunite. They booked a large table every night in the Tapas. We called them "the Doctors". Sometimes we would sit out on our balcony and their laughter would float up around us. One man was the joker. He had a loud Glaswegian accent. He was Gerry McCann.
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So what ?

A family holiday where most of the time the children were at a creche, and in the evening the parents were wining and dining ?

Get real.

[Cariad]

Quote from Bridget O'Donnell:-

Some of the parents were in a larger group. Most of them worked for the NHS and had met many years before in Leicestershire. Now they lived in different parts of the UK, and this holiday was their opportunity to catch up, to introduce their children, to reunite. They booked a large table every night in the Tapas. We called them "the Doctors". Sometimes we would sit out on our balcony and their laughter would float up around us. One man was the joker. He had a loud Glaswegian accent. He was Gerry McCann.
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Strange Kate Mccann didn't  call for assistance then when she 'found Madeleine gone' and instead chose to leave 2 babies alone in order to run to the restaurant.....

[Benice]

Pray tell, what is the success rate of SY in solving crimes ?

How many times have the members of the current team in the investigation, got it wrong ?

You are quite happy to look at Amaral and his other investigations, yet don't like it when SY's failings are discussed.

Why is that ?

You haven't specified what SY's  failings are - either in this case or the Barry George case - which IIRC was around 12/13 years ago!    Is that the best you can do in your sneering attempts to discredit ANYONE who does not agree with you?    What do you think of the Needhams - they also support the McCanns?

Amaral has been convicted of perjury - i.e. abusing his power as a policeman and has a criminal record.  His other investigation also dealt with the case of a missing child.     There are similarities between those two cases IMO - but there are no similarities between the Barry George case and what happened to Madeleine McCann to even begin to compare the performance of the SY Team. 

[John]

It may not be evidence per se, but it is a strong pointer, having Matt commenting that at 9.30ish, when he checked the Mccann children, he thought a little light was coming through the window.   
For ANY light to come through, the shutters had to be open at that time.

That is a false claim Sadie.  The shutters can be down and still let 20% light into the room.

[slartibartfast]

Quote from Bridget O'Donnell:-

Some of the parents were in a larger group. Most of them worked for the NHS and had met many years before in Leicestershire. Now they lived in different parts of the UK, and this holiday was their opportunity to catch up, to introduce their children, to reunite. They booked a large table every night in the Tapas. We called them "the Doctors". Sometimes we would sit out on our balcony and their laughter would float up around us. One man was the joker. He had a loud Glaswegian accent. He was Gerry McCann.
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Knowing how noisy these evenings can be,I would be surprised if they could hear anything from 20m away let alone 50m.

[stephen25000]

You haven't specified what SY's  failings are - either in this case or the Barry George case - which IIRC was around 12/13 years ago!    Is that the best you can do in your sneering attempts to discredit ANYONE who does not agree with you?    What do you think of the Needhams - they also support the McCanns?

Amaral has been convicted of perjury - i.e. abusing his power as a policeman and has a criminal record.  His other investigation also dealt with the case of a missing child.     There are similarities between those two cases IMO - but there are no similarities between the Barry George case and what happened to Madeleine McCann to even begin to compare the performance of the SY Team.

There is the crux of it.

It's your opinion. 

[Benice]

Strange Kate Mccann didn't  call for assistance then when she 'found Madeleine gone' and instead chose to leave 2 babies alone in order to run to the restaurant.....

Not strange at all IMO.  There are no rules to say how a mother who had just discovered her child missing should behave.   She had just searched the apartment - and so knew no-one was in there.  In her panic she rushed to get her husband - which was the most natural thing to do and which must have taken all of 15/20 seconds. 

The idea that anyone should be thinking logically and rationally in those panic stricken moments is completely unrealistic IMO.

Once again - good old 'hindsight 'comes into play.    It's so easy to be wise sitting at a computer and making judgements with the 20/20 vision of hindsight which the McCanns did not have at the time.

If my house was suddenly struck by ball lightening and the roof caved in - can I say that I would  calmly weigh up the best and most efficient approach available to me to deal with it - or would I be so shocked and panicked that I could have no idea what I would do ?    I'm fairly sure the latter would be the case.   

[Benice]

Knowing how noisy these evenings can be,I would be surprised if they could hear anything from 20m away let alone 50m.

Any reason why this lady would deliberately lie about this? 

[Benice]

There is the crux of it.

It's your opinion. 

So what is YOUR opinion of the Needhams for their support of the McCanns?

[stephen25000]

So what is YOUR opinion of the Needhams for their support of the McCanns?

They are free to 'support' whom they wish.

Do you really believe every police officer and parent of missing children believes the mccanns ?

[Estuarine]

Working on the basic premise that the child was abducted what are the mechanics of it? Looking at it as an RCA the primary event would be the abduction of the child:-

Abduction of child=> child crossing paths with an abductor=> the abductor being present =>
        => the child letting themselves out of the apartment
  =>   
        => the abductor breaking into the apartment.

1 What proof is there of the child letting itself out?.
2 What proof is there of a break in?. (bearing in mind the (ESN to some) PJ don’t believe there was a break in)
3 What proof is there of the presence of an abductor.
If someone can prove beyond reasonable doubt that either 1 or 2 occurred simultaneously with 3 then there are reasonable grounds for believing there was abduction. Otherwise it’s up for grabs and arguing along the lines “because it is” or “if a sewing machine had bigger wheels it would be a car” don’t cut it.

[AnneGuedes]

Working on the basic premise that the child was abducted what are the mechanics of it? Looking at it as an RCA the primary event would be the abduction of the child:-

Abduction of child=> child crossing paths with an abductor=> the abductor being present =>
        => the child letting themselves out of the apartment
  =>   
        => the abductor breaking into the apartment.

1 What proof is there of the child letting itself out?.
2 What proof is there of a break in?. (bearing in mind the (ESN to some) PJ don’t believe there was a break in)
3 What proof is there of the presence of an abductor.
If someone can prove beyond reasonable doubt that either 1 or 2 occurred simultaneously with 3 then there are reasonable grounds for believing there was abduction. Otherwise it’s up for grabs and arguing along the lines “because it is” or “if a sewing machine had bigger wheels it would be a car” don’t cut it.

There's no evidence of neither 1), 2) and 3).
Now that Tannerman has been eliminated by SY, the investigation is left with a strong evidence of Madeleine being carried away, shortly after the alarm was launched, the question being whether the carrier was an abductor.