Statistically...what are the chances that Maddie was abducted..

[a.baker]

Open windows/curtains/shutters all a red herring carried out by the McCanns imo as they didn't want to admit in the beginning that they had left the apartment unlocked.

[jassi]

Open windows/curtains/shutters all a red herring carried out by the McCanns imo as they didn't want to admit in the beginning that they had left the apartment unlocked.

No No No. How many times do you need to be told - it was burglars wot did it. 

[stephen25000]

No No No. How many times do you need to be told - it was burglars wot did it. 

Was his name, Ivor Dunnit ?

[Wonderfulspam]

Open windows/curtains/shutters all a red herring carried out by the McCanns imo as they didn't want to admit in the beginning that they had left the apartment unlocked.

I don't believe the apartment was left unlocked at all,

I think that once they realised the 'abduction through window' scenario was too far fetched, that's when the doors became magically unlocked, in order to allow points of entry for the...
 
'paedo/burglar/cleaner/gardener/smack addicted tractor driver/gypsy/spotty faced/ creepyman'  abductor.

[Wonderfulspam]

No No No. How many times do you need to be told - it was burglars wot did it. 

No, it was paedos wot did it.

[jassi]

No, it was paedos wot did it.

Yeah, paedos who do a little burglary on the side.

[AnneGuedes]

I don't believe the apartment was left unlocked at all,
I think that once they realised the 'abduction through window' scenario was too far fetched, that's when the doors became magically unlocked, in order to allow points of entry for the...
 creepyman'  abductor.

It is possible that the sliding door-window was safely shut and they entered the normal way, when they entered, which likely was rare, unless they needed to. However they used the sliding one to listen, no use to enter.
In this case the open sliding door-window had to be invented when Mr McCann spoke to the PJ on the crime scene.
A check of Mr Oldfield had been added to the second time-line and Mr Oldfield could absolutely not have seen the shutters... He had to enter but had no key and if he pretended he had everybody would know he was lying. Moreover he would have passed the fatal window before opening the door...
The following day, when he started to state, Mr McCann forgot about that detail and said... the truth, that he had entered the flat with his key... Then what could he do when his story came to the point of Mr Oldfield's check ? He couldn't possibly make him listening to the shutters without noting that they were up, so he had to go for the second worst open sliding door-window.

[Mr Gray]

Strange Kate Mccann didn't  call for assistance then when she 'found Madeleine gone' and instead chose to leave 2 babies alone in order to run to the restaurant.....

In this statement kate says...

She then completes a check of the bathroom, kitchen and wardrobes.

On failing to find Madeleine, she runs to the entrance of the restaurant, shouting from the path leading to the restaurant area raising the alarm that Madeleine was missing.


So she saying she called from the path leading to the restaurant...wheres that...where did kate shout from...I don't trust the statements that were written in Portuguese then further translated

[AnneGuedes]

I don't believe the apartment was left unlocked at all,

There's one very strong point supporting this : Mrs Payne's rog.

[Cariad]

In this statement kate says...

She then completes a check of the bathroom, kitchen and wardrobes.

On failing to find Madeleine, she runs to the entrance of the restaurant, shouting from the path leading to the restaurant area raising the alarm that Madeleine was missing.


So she saying she called from the path leading to the restaurant...wheres that...where did kate shout from...I don't trust the statements that were written in Portuguese then further translated

Afternoon davel. I supplied my definition of 'evidence' this morning. Can you now please tell me what the evidence for abduction is please?

[j.rob]

Ulike the McCanns the Needhams have not had to contend with scores  of [ censored word ]s and others spreading hundreds of lies, myths and disinformation about them all over the internet - much of which is still believed and touted as fact even though they have long since been discredited.   

There is nothing unusual about referring to the abduction of Ben Needham.   There are similarities in both cases except that in the one case the family is believed and in the other the family is persecuted - and for the above reason IMO.

It is nothing to do with ''hiding behind skirts''?    If you want an example of that then look at all the references to Barry George - who is regularly dragged out as some kind of 'proof' that SY cannnot possibly know what they are doing.    Totally ludicrous IMO.

But the Needhams didn't concoct a story about what happened to Ben, did they? He disappeared and no-one knows what happened.

Madeleine disappeared and the McCanns know what happened so they must have had something to do with it, otherwise they wouldn't know.  Apart from which there is so much in their behaviour and in what they have said and done that about a million red flags are billowing in the breeze.

Plus the Needhams didn't cash in on their son's disappearance and use a fund to sue people and fly around the world. There is no resemblance at all between the case of Madeleine and the case of Ben Needham.

[slartibartfast]

Any reason why this lady would deliberately lie about this?

I don't think I said anyone lied. They might have made an assumption that they could hear...was there any music at the Tapas Bar?

[Redblossom]

I don't think I said anyone lied. They might have made an assumption that they could hear...was there any music at the Tapas Bar?

This whole nonsense about them beng able to see and hear, is just, well, nonsense for the sheer fact that they wouldnt be "looking there" all night, (why the heck would they be? If they were that concerned they would have left the door locked or not left em at all) and yes, a packed restaraunt and raucous atmosphere would drown out any sounds of any child crying on a balcony, no brainer

[Mr Gray]

evidence

the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid:

That's what the internet says and I'm happy to agree that it's a valid definition. So what's the evidence?

OK..been very busy

using your definition..are there any facts to show that the belief that Maddie was abducted is valid...not definitely true...

[Cariad]

OK..been very busy

using your definition..are there any facts to show that the belief that Maddie was abducted is valid...not definitely true...

Oh come on davel! Last night you said there was evidence to support abduction, I've asked you repeatedly to share that evidence. I understand that you have a life out side the forum and needed to do the school run ect, but to coming back almost 24 hours later and basically ask me the same question that I asked you, is pretty poor!

You stated that there is evidence of abduction, share it please!