Statistically...what are the chances that Maddie was abducted..

[pathfinder73]

Kate was concerned about the unlocked patio door at the tapas bar that night even though she sat with her back to the apartment and couldn't see it - very strange! If Gerry used the front door key it's because it's the the only way he could enter from the northside. That would mean he was doing something on the northside of the apartments on that first check at 9pm. When Jez saw him he had just came out of the southside/side gate so he entered via northside and exited southside before meeting Jez IMO. Therefore in that case the patio door would be open when Matt went to do the check - this was supposed to be Kate's check and it wasn't long after Gerry returned. Only 10 minutes later. Kate would've entered via unlocked patio door as she talked about at the table but Matt threw a spanner in the works when he said he'd check for her.

[Redblossom]

Kate was concerned about the unlocked patio door at the tapas bar that night even though she sat with her back to the apartment and couldn't see it - very strange! If Gerry used the front door key it's because it's the the only way he could enter from the northside. That would mean he was doing something on the northside of the apartments on that first check at 9pm. When Jez saw him he had just came out of the southside/side gate so he entered via northside and exited southside before meeting Jez IMO. Therefore in that case the patio door would be open when Matt went to do the check - this was supposed to be Kate's check and it wasn't long after Gerry returned. Only 10 minutes later.

thats a point, all the talk of half hourly checks, and with tanner too, as soon as she was back, 10 mins later russell goes off...as I said before if they were that concerned why have a musical chairs on your tether unrelaxed dinner rather an hire babysitters or put them in the night creche till 11.30 closing time

[jassi]

thats a point, all the talk of half hourly checks, and with tanner too, as soon as she was back, 10 mins later russell goes off...as I said before if they were that concerned why have a musical chairs on your tether unrelaxed dinner rather an hire babysitters or put them in the night creche till 11.30 closing time

Alternatively, they could probably have  arranged 'dinner to go' and had it on one of the adjoining patios - much more like eating in your own garden.

[pathfinder73]

thats a point, all the talk of half hourly checks, and with tanner too, as soon as she was back, 10 mins later russell goes off...as I said before if they were that concerned why have a musical chairs on your tether unrelaxed dinner rather an hire babysitters or put them in the night creche till 11.30 closing time

Let's put it this way. There were more coming and goings that night than any other and on the night Madeleine disappeared. Nothing about this case adds up. That's why you need to take the simple approach instead of trying to work out impossible moving doors and an open window that nobody passed through. They should forget about the nonsense and concentrate on Smithman. You get him then you can crack the case. Madeleine was not in the apartment when Matt did his check so he's got nothing to do with her disappearance.

[jassi]

Let's put it this way. There were more coming and goings that night than any other and on the night Madeleine disappeared. Nothing about this case adds up. That's why you need to take the simple approach instead of trying to work out impossible moving doors and an open window that nobody passed through. They should forget about the nonsense and concentrate on Smithman. You get him then you can crack the case. Madeleine was not in the apartment when Matt did his check so he's got nothing to do with her disappearance.

Which one - 9 o'clock, or 9.30 ?

[Redblossom]

Alternatively, they could probably have  arranged 'dinner to go' and had it on one of the adjoining patios - much more like eating in your own garden.

probably the wisest choice being near enough to hear any kids crying....problem sorted

[pathfinder73]

Which one - 9 o'clock, or 9.30 ?

Madeleine wasn't in the apartment when Matt checked at 9.30pm so he's got nothing to do with her disappearance. Smithman moved her out before that check.

[Redblossom]

Let's put it this way. There were more coming and goings that night than any other and on the night Madeleine disappeared. Nothing about this case adds up. That's why you need to take the simple approach instead of trying to work out impossible moving doors and an open window that nobody passed through. They should forget about the nonsense and concentrate on Smithman. You get him then you can crack the case. Madeleine was not in the apartment when Matt did his check so he's got nothing to do with her disappearance.

No it doesnt....thats the whole problem, hopefully SY wil get their teeth straight into the jugular soon

[Cariad]

Madeleine wasn't in the apartment when Matt checked at 9.30pm so he's got nothing to do with her disappearance.

I'm not convinced he even entered 5A, personally. I think that it's more likely that the regular checks were fabricated to make them all look less negligent.

[Redblossom]

Madeleine wasn't in the apartment when Matt checked at 9.30pm so he's got nothing to do with her disappearance. Smithman moved her out before that.

the only part i dont get about  Oldfields check (well apart from describing a non existent bookcase that he looked through lol) is he wondered where Madeleine slept...so he didnt stick his head inside the kids bedroom but went looking  in the parents bedroom for her!! Why would he do that if he didnt want to make sure she was there? And he didnt make the effort to be sure she was in the kids bedroom..


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So yes, dont add up, therefore nonsense

[pathfinder73]

I'm not convinced he even entered 5A, personally. I think that it's more likely that the regular checks were fabricated to make them all look less negligent.

I think the patio door was open for the 9.25/30 check or how was Kate gonna get in?  She was supposed to go not Matt. One thing is clear - she didn't wait 30 minutes for the next check knowing that the patio door was still unlocked. She is gone earlier than 10pm - even up to 10 minutes earlier which makes sense.

[pathfinder73]

the only part i dont get about  Oldfields check (well apart from describing a non existent bookcase that he looked through lol) is he wondered where Madeleine slept...so he didnt stick his head inside the kids bedroom but went looking  in the parents bedroom for her!! Why would he do that if he didnt want to make sure she was there? And he didnt make the effort to be sure she was in the kids bedroom..


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So yes, dont add up, therefore nonsense

Not sure but as soon as he saw the cots he would know which was the kids room and probably didn't want to enter in case he woke them up.

[jassi]

I think the patio door was open for the 9.25/30 check or how was Kate gonna get in?  She was supposed to go not Matt.

It doesn't have to be as she would have had a key. If he went at all, Matt might have only been expected to listen at the bedroom window.

[pathfinder73]

It doesn't have to be as she would have had a key. If he went at all, Matt might have only been expected to listen at the bedroom window.

That door had to be unlocked when Madeleine was found to be missing.

[Redblossom]

Not sure but as soon as he saw the cots he would know which was the kids room and probably didn't want to enter in case he woke them up.

Sorry that doesnt make sense....if he wanted to sight madeleine why not poke hs nose in instead of looking in other rooms?