Statistically...what are the chances that Maddie was abducted..

[j.rob]

Why is it that people should want to deny amaral is a criminal when he has been convicted in court wheras its ok to accuse the mccanns who have been convicted of nothing

Not yet, no......but they have done their best to try to discredit certain people who do not believe them, haven't they?

And seeing as certain people are throwing stones in the glass-house, let's have a look at the squeaky-clean little people that the McCanns hired after Madeleine's  More than a few of them have pasts that are, ahem, not exactly kosher. Methodo, Brian Kennedy.....I could go on but I am sure there are others who can fill in the gaps.

[Mr Gray]

But obviously there are a lot of criminals that don't get caught. And there again there are people who are wrongly convicted of crimes. Or those who find themselves facing trumped up charges, or who fall into judicial cleft sticks. Or those who are so unpopular with criminals (especially ones that have been caught) that the criminals and those who support them will do absolutely anything to try to throw some dirt at them and get it to stick.

A bit like that poor murdered child Joana's mother who lied that she had been beaten up.  But why would a murderer tell the truth?

You need to get your facts right..she did not lie that she had been beaten by the PJ...the fact that she was beaten by the PJ  has never been doubted by the court.

[j.rob]

I'M citing cases where children have been reported missing and a police investigation has followed...the statistics show that most are genuine...contradict them with actual cases if you can...what happened to your claim that I was lying and you had statistics to back it up re fatal accidents in the home..it seems that you have been found out to be the liar.

I have quoted statistics from Kate McCanns book. Quite frankly I couldn't care less whether you are a liar of not.  Of course there are fatal accidents in people's homes. Why wouldn't there be? Look up the statistics yourself, if you are that interested in them.

[j.rob]

If we look at children reported missing by parents I think you will find that in the majority of cases no parental involvement...cant do it now but lets start the ball rolling...Jamie Bulger...Ben Needham ..Jessica chapman.. Holly Wills, Millie Dowling

 According to Kate McCann the majority of completed child abductions are parental/family. Only 16% are not.

[j.rob]

Evidence is witness statement of Kate and Gerry...that the shutters had been forced upwards....they never said the shutters had been damaged

Your use of the word 'forced' is disingenuous. I presume you mean that the shutters had been opened because there was no evidence for anything else other than that the shutters were open.

Why does that provide evidence of a (paedophile) abduction?

[j.rob]

You are kidding, right? The chances of a person dying are non-existent?

That is most definitely a lie!! And I have evidence to prove it! 

Okay - you have stated that the chances of (Maddie - but it could equally apply to anyone else in an apartment or anywhere else for that matter) are non-existent. That means a 0% chance of Madeleine (or anyone else for that matter) dying.

Well, statistically speaking there is a 100% chance that each and every one of us will die (to my knowledge there is no evidence that a person has lived for ever without dying).

Therefore each person will die, we just don't know when.

Even if conditions in that apartment had been optimal - eg: a responsible baby-sitter, children all fully fit, not having taken medicaments of any sort and so on, you cannot state that there is a 0% chance of one of the children dying.

A child could be sick and choke on vomit. A child could have an underlying condition that cause his or her heart to fail. A child could get out of bed and bang their head. A child could take pills they found lying around.

This could all happen with a babysitter in the next room.

Yes, it is UNLIKELY but it is not IMPOSSIBLE.

I simply am pointing out that the chances of a person dying are 100% - it is just a question of when 8-)(--).

Davell, you really should give up quoting statistics. Or enrol on an advanced statistics course....or....something.....

[j.rob]

You need to get your facts right..she did not lie that she had been beaten by the PJ...the fact that she was beaten by the PJ  has never been doubted by the court.

The woman has lied repeatedly. And she is in prison for murder.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id248.html

Anyone else know the definitive judgement in this case?

[j.rob]

You need to get your facts right..she did not lie that she had been beaten by the PJ...the fact that she was beaten by the PJ  has never been doubted by the court.

People can make up their own minds about the woman who you appear to be defending who was convicted of murdering her own child and who lied by claiming that she had mysteriously disappeared.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id176.html

A little background reading on the mother and her brother who she was having an incestuous relationship with. And check out the background of the child. The mother didn't even bother to take her to school on her first day. Nice people, eh?

She seems to have lied about most things. But why would a woman who murders her own child tell the truth?

[AnneGuedes]

But why would a woman who murders her own child tell the truth?

Especially since infanticide is the worst crime of all.

[j.rob]

RoSPA Statistics on accidents in and around the home involving children. They are not in the least uncommon. More than a million a year with the 0-4 year old age group at highest risk.

"Those most at risk from a home accident are the 0-4 years age group. Falls account for the majority of non-fatal accidents while the highest number of deaths are due to fire. Most of these accidents are preventable through increased awareness, improvements in the home environment and greater product safety."

Obviously, if three children under 4 years old are left unattended then there will be a higher likelihood of an accident.

http://www.rospa.com/homesafety/adviceandinformation/childsafety/accidents-to-children.aspx

[Estuarine]

RoSPA Statistics on accidents in and around the home involving children. They are not in the least uncommon. More than a million a year with the 0-4 year old age group at highest risk.

"Those most at risk from a home accident are the 0-4 years age group. Falls account for the majority of non-fatal accidents while the highest number of deaths are due to fire. Most of these accidents are preventable through increased awareness, improvements in the home environment and greater product safety."

Obviously, if three children under 4 years old are left unattended then there will be a higher likelihood of an accident.

http://www.rospa.com/homesafety/adviceandinformation/childsafety/accidents-to-children.aspx

Doesn't count j.rob. No statistics from whatever source apply to this case because the behaviour was within the bounds of responsible parenting . It was a spotty face bird on a yacht with a geezer and a bundle wot dunnit innit. QED  8-)(--)

[Sherlock Holmes]

Not yet, no......but they have done their best to try to discredit certain people who do not believe them, haven't they?

And seeing as certain people are throwing stones in the glass-house, let's have a look at the squeaky-clean little people that the McCanns hired after Madeleine's  More than a few of them have pasts that are, ahem, not exactly kosher. Methodo, Brian Kennedy.....I could go on but I am sure there are others who can fill in the gaps.

Are you suggesting, j.rob, that the McCanns hired these detectives knowing that they were not straight?

[slartibartfast]

The woman has lied repeatedly. And she is in prison for murder.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id248.html

Anyone else know the definitive judgement in this case?

Background reading suggests that the court believed she had been beaten after a forensic expert examined photographs of the injuries. As no one was found guilty of the beating they must all have been innocent...to paraphrase the usual statements. GA was found guilty of stating that she wasn't beaten based on the say so of his officers who were found not guilty.

[icabodcrane]

Are you suggesting, j.rob, that the McCanns hired these detectives knowing that they were not straight?

Are you are refering to the Spanish private eyes,  Metodo 3 ?  (  who were certainly crooked ) 

I have always thought a more interesting question is what remit, exactly,  were this crew given by the McCanns  ?

Why were they involved in that business with Cipriano's lawyer,  for instance  ?  (  and paying him money  )   ... what on earth did that have to do with searching for  Madeleine  ? 

[Mr Gray]

RoSPA Statistics on accidents in and around the home involving children. They are not in the least uncommon. More than a million a year with the 0-4 year old age group at highest risk.

"Those most at risk from a home accident are the 0-4 years age group. Falls account for the majority of non-fatal accidents while the highest number of deaths are due to fire. Most of these accidents are preventable through increased awareness, improvements in the home environment and greater product safety."

Obviously, if three children under 4 years old are left unattended then there will be a higher likelihood of an accident.



http://www.rospa.com/homesafety/adviceandinformation/childsafety/accidents-to-children.aspx

 you don't seem to be able to understand simple principles..you are quoting figures for NON FATAL accidents..
absolutely pathetic...the report mentions fires as being the highest cause of fatal accidents...was there a fatal fire in 5a that nobody noticed...you mention choking...have you ever seen someone choking to death...she would definitely have woken the twins and the twins would have screamed the place down...did Mrs Fenn hear anything that night...no...

the fact is that no on has been able to come up with a fatal accident scenario that stands up...FACT