Statistically...what are the chances that Maddie was abducted..

[Mr Gray]

Its absolutely impossible  or very rare that madeleine could have had any kind of accident in that flat whilst left alone

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How utterly pathetic irrational nonsensical and counter to all known facts and statistics  is that assertion or suggestion.
Leave the stragglers to it that assert abduction is MORE likely to befall a child in their own home, than a fatal accident, dear god, talk about twisting facts!
What are the numbers of children dying in their own homes versus ones abducted from them?
Big versus tiny!!

A post displaying almost total ignorance

[Air Con]

Another one who cant read...I said the TWINS would scream the place down...reading is pretty basic stuff but perhaps Im asking too much of posters like you. The choking child would thrash about knocking furniture over and make an absolute racket. it also invariably happens at mealtimes when adults are present..

Not quite as smart as you think you are..are you


can YOU come up with an accident scenario

This is the same twins who slept through someone forcing open the shutters and abducting their sister. Allegedly.

The same twins who then, confirmed by all concerned, slept through the entire commotion of Kate screaming "They've taken her" and several dozen people traipsing through the apartment, for several hours,  without even stirring?

Yep, you're right. They definitely would have woken up if their sister quietly choked in a corner.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Are you are refering to the Spanish private eyes,  Metodo 3 ?  (  who were certainly crooked ) 

I have always thought a more interesting question is what remit, exactly,  were this crew given by the McCanns  ?

Why were they involved in that business with Cipriano's lawyer,  for instance  ?  (  and paying him money  )   ... what on earth did that have to do with searching for  Madeleine  ?

Would there be a remit as such? As far as we can see, whatever remit there appears to have been it was a broad one:  to search far and wide for an abducted Madeleine.

I'm afraid I don't know enough about the Cipriano case to comment. I hadn't realised the two cases were connected in this way.

[sadie]

Are you are refering to the Spanish private eyes,  Metodo 3 ?  (  who were certainly crooked ) 

I have always thought a more interesting question is what remit, exactly,  were this crew given by the McCanns  ?

Why were they involved in that business with Cipriano's lawyer,  for instance  ?  (  and paying him money  )   ... what on earth did that have to do with searching for  Madeleine  ?

Poor Marcos Aragao Corriera.  All he did was thrash Amaral and another PJ Officer [was it Cardosa?] in the Torture case and prove him a Criminal.  Such hatred towards him ever since, because of this.  This hatred from [ censored word] illustrates just how well he did against crooked dealings ... and such a young Lawyer .... only about 32 at the time.

The more you are hated, the more effective you are.  Take note of that fighters for Justice on this forum

No doubt Marcos was much admired for taking on the PJ and a natural choice.

[icabodcrane]

Poor Marcos Aragao Corriera.  All he did was thrash Amaral and another PJ Officer [was it Cardosa?] in the Torture case and prove him a Criminal.  Such hatred towards him ever since, because of this.  This hatred from [ censored word] illustrates just how well he did against crooked dealings ... and such a young Lawyer .... only about 32 at the time.

The more you are hated, the more effective you are.  Take note of that fighters for Justice on this forum

No doubt Marcos was much admired for taking on the PJ and a natural choice.

My question was ...  why were metodo 3  involved with him  (  paying him money  )  whilst they were in the employ of the McCanns  ?

[sadie]

My question was ...  why were metodo 3  involved with him  (  paying him money  )  whilst they were in the employ of the McCanns  ?

Do you know the answer?  Please share, but make sure you get it right.  You are dealing with a Lawyer here.

Poor Marcios.  How he has been abused, just becos he beat Amaral and was on the Ciprianos and The Mccanns side.

[icabodcrane]

Do you know the answer?  Please share, but make sure you get it right.  You are dealing with a Lawyer here.

Poor Marcios.  How he has been abused, just becos he beat Amaral and was on the Ciprianos and The Mccanns side.

No,  I don't know why the detectives employed by the McCanns were paying money to the lawyer representing child murderer Cipriano

Nor do I see how that could possibly help in the search for Madeleine

Do you  ? 

[sadie]

Okay - you have stated that the chances of (Maddie - but it could equally apply to anyone else in an apartment or anywhere else for that matter) are non-existent. That means a 0% chance of Madeleine (or anyone else for that matter) dying.

Well, statistically speaking there is a 100% chance that each and every one of us will die (to my knowledge there is no evidence that a person has lived for ever without dying).

Therefore each person will die, we just don't know when.

Even if conditions in that apartment had been optimal - eg: a responsible baby-sitter, children all fully fit, not having taken medicaments of any sort and so on, you cannot state that there is a 0% chance of one of the children dying.

A child could be sick and choke on vomit. A child could have an underlying condition that cause his or her heart to fail. A child could get out of bed and bang their head. A child could take pills they found lying around.

This could all happen with a babysitter in the next room.

Yes, it is UNLIKELY but it is not IMPOSSIBLE.

I simply am pointing out that the chances of a person dying are 100% - it is just a question of when 8-)(--).

Davell, you really should give up quoting statistics. Or enrol on an advanced statistics course....or....something.....

j.rob

How you can attempt to undermine such a highly educated and knowledgeable man as davel when you have repeatedly shown a complete lack of understanding of the case, is beyond me.  In some of your posts, you very obviously haven't even read the statements ... yet you continue to say things that are totally wrong as tho they written in stone.

If you cant be bothered to read the statements at least have the grace to put "I believe" or "possibly".  Better to stop posting altogether tbh.

[Cariad]

j.rob

How you can attempt to undermine such a highly educated and knowledgeable man as davel when you have repeatedly shown a complete lack of understanding of the case, is beyond me.  In some of your posts, you very obviously haven't even read the statements ... yet you continue to say things that are totally wrong as tho they written in stone.

If you cant be bothered to read the statements at least have the grace to put "I believe" or "possibly".  Better to stop posting altogether tbh.

Maybe J rob has damaged his eyes reading too much rubbish written on forums by people who think an abductor would dress the abducted child in their clan kilt and take her out for a wander around.


It hurts my eyes too.

[Mr Gray]

Could anyone tell me when this "accident" is supposed to have happened?

The McCanns arrived at the tapas to eat ...did several checks...then the whole world descended on the apt at 10pm


So...when did the accident happen and when was maddie removed...was the mystery tapas member Dynamo...the magician

[Mr Gray]

Arrived at  tapas 8.30....maddie gone at 10..00   ...how did it happen...

[jassi]

Arrived at  tapas 8.30....maddie gone at 10..00   ...how did it happen...

Someone had a cunning plan.

[Mr Gray]

Someone had a cunning plan.

Sorry Jassi that wont do...I say its impossible...can you show me to be wrong

[jassi]

Sorry Jassi that wont do...I say its impossible...can you show me to be wrong

Merely your opinion, of course. I don't intend to play your games.

[pathfinder73]

Someone had a cunning plan.

A very simple and effective plan. We could do the same thing Smithman accomplished in a reconstruction. Madeleine is moved out when everyone is at the table. So how do they know she has left? They don't, they can't see nothing - they only presume she's in the apartment. After the alarm is raised she is moved a second time unsuspected by the others who are preoccupied with trying to find her but Smithman is the only one who knows where she really is. SY/PJ will discover that this is what happened to Madeleine and how Smithman fooled everyone.