The Find Madeleine Campaign. Controlled Strategy or Runaway Tiger?

[Eleanor]

Eleanor, I do not like getting involved in arguments with individuals, but I really do think you are repeatedly unpleasant to Anne in a totally unnecessary way.  She does pretty well, if English is not her first language, IMO

I would rather put it down to ignorance of the language than a deliberate misinterpretation of facts.

[CPN]

I would rather put it down to ignorance of the language than a deliberate misinterpretation of facts.

I will answer once, but not again.

It was not just the once, it was repeated, as I made clear

[slartibartfast]

I quoted it some time back, SH, and someone answered with another very appropriate quote (which I meant to commit to memory but failed!)

It is just that it is increasingly difficult to go back on something the longer it goes on... And increasingly difficult to change a story as time progresses

I thought...

Oh, what a tangled web we weave
When first we practise to deceive!

[AnneGuedes]

"And oftentimes excusing of a fault doth make the fault the worse by the excuse." - William Shakespeare

He who excuses himself accuses himself (French proverb)

[CPN]

another good one, Slartibartfast - but the earlier response was even better... 

[Mr Gray]

But if people acknowledge the role they may have played in an unpleasant incident (as well as any other person) it does create more sympathy, like it or not.  Another quote! - "And oftentimes excusing of a fault doth make the fault the worse by the excuse." - William Shakespeare

And in shakespeares time the parents would have been expected to don sackcloth and ashes and flagellate themselves...fortunately some of us have moved on...

Speaking with some knowledge of the subject I think there are very sound psychological reasons why the McCanns will have been advised NOT to blame themselves..

The lesson has been learned MW no longer promote a babylstening service at any of their resorts now

[Sherlock Holmes]

I find this type of comment very unfair...its like the woman who goes out...has  a few drinks too many and gets raped...some people have little sympathy with her and say it was her own fault....others blame the rapist

Just because I think the McCanns would have been wise to admit that possibly they made mistakes here and there doesn't mean I condone any of the abuse that they take. Any more than one could condone the actions of the Rapist.

The level of vitriol against them that exists is exceptionally cruel, and no-one deserves that.

[Mr Gray]

davel - just because people disagree with you on one matter, it does not mean they are talking nonsense in general

 im talking about one particular poster and please have the decency to allow me to have an opinion...Im sure you are aware that the vast majority of children abused by family are in dysfunctional families

[CPN]

And in shakespeares time the parents would have been expected to don sackcloth and ashes and flagellate themselves...fortunately some of us have moved on...

Speaking with some knowledge of the subject I think there are very sound psychological reasons why the McCanns will have been advised NOT to blame themselves..

The lesson has been learned MW no longer promote a babylstening service at any of their resorts now

Well, maybe they need to see another psychologist.  Because I really think this refusal to acknowledge any fault or responsibility has taken away a lot of sympathy for them from many people

[CPN]

im talking about one particular poster and please have the decency to allow me to have an opinion...Im sure you are aware that the vast majority of children abused by family are in dysfunctional families

But davel!! Cannot you see the contradiction here?  Of course you can have an opinion - and so can others, even if it is not the same as yours!

[AnneGuedes]

The level of vitriol against them that exists is exceptionally cruel

Where ? Can you be more specific ?

[Mr Gray]

Well, maybe they need to see another psychologist.  Because I really think this refusal to acknowledge any fault or responsibility has taken away a lot of sympathy for them from many people

    First I think any psychologist would say the same...secondly they have admitted fault...thirdly ...they have half  a million likes on the official facebook page so perhaps they have more sympathy than you think

[Sherlock Holmes]

Why ? That would make sense if they were primary, easy to manipulate poor fellows.
How do you justify for instance the disastrous Metodo 3 ? They complain about the PJ insufficiencies (euphemism) and simultaneously keep under contract pathetic caricatures of what a PI is ! You may of course argue that the money spent doesn't come from their pocket, but is that a serious argument ?

Actually I think Metodo 3 is an obvious exception to this. (And I don't claim that the McCanns have made only mistakes, just that they have made some!). How could they have known that Metodo 3 were going to do such a bad job? I certainly don't believe that Metodo 3 and some of the other detective agencies were hired with the expectation of being incompetent or corrupt, in order to obfuscate. That's doublethink.

[slartibartfast]

Well, maybe they need to see another psychologist.  Because I really think this refusal to acknowledge any fault or responsibility has taken away a lot of sympathy for them from many people

Agreed, it is easy to imagine an impassioned statement berating themselves for believing that it was safe to leave Maddy when it wasn't. Most observers would have said "there but for the grace of god..."

[Mr Gray]

But davel!! Cannot you see the contradiction here?  Of course you can have an opinion - and so can others, even if it is not the same as yours!

 Well we have both expressed our opinion...why do you only criticise mine