The Find Madeleine Campaign. Controlled Strategy or Runaway Tiger?

[stephen25000]

 Its tiresome...and I agree ..because posters keep attacking the McCanns re the childcare arrangements. yOu keep attacking...as you are doing now ...and I will keep defending.

You seem to accept that hotel listening services are just acceptable...yet there is a risk..it seems you accept that risk...that's what the McCanns did...life is all about risks.

I notice no one has criticised Schumacher for skiing off piste. What a stupid thing to do some might say..its his own fault..but no he gets sympathy,and quite rightly too

The 'wisdom' of davel....



'You seem to accept that hotel listening services are just acceptable...yet there is a risk..it seems you accept that risk...that's what the McCanns did...life is all about risks.'

i.e. It was OK to leave your children at risk whilst out drinking and leaving your children unprotected.

NICE ONE.

[Mr Gray]

The 'wisdom' of davel....



'You seem to accept that hotel listening services are just acceptable...yet there is a risk..it seems you accept that risk...that's what the McCanns did...life is all about risks.'

i.e. It was OK to leave your children at risk whilst out drinking and leaving your children unprotected.

NICE ONE.

 You obviously don't understand the post...the first time you let your child cross the road alone...is a risk...life is all about taking and minimising risks

[stephen25000]

You obviously don't understand the post...the first time you let your child cross the road alone...is a risk...life is all about taking and minimising risks

I understand your post perfectly well.

The Mccanns were arrogant and insipidly negligent in leaving their children unprotected.

NO EXCUSES AT ALL.

[stephen25000]

No excuses given...none needed...I don't care what you think about the childcare arrangements,,,totally unimportant..none of your business

No excuses needed ?

What planet are you on ??? 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--)

[Eleanor]

There is no point to making excuses after the event.

In hindsight I sometimes wonder how any of my children survived at all, although I certainly wasn't perpetually anxious at the time.  I decided early on that this would be the road to a nervous breakdown and a continual suppression of any freedom at all.

[CPN]

There is no point to making excuses after the event.

In hindsight I sometimes wonder how any of my children survived at all, although I certainly wasn't perpetually anxious at the time.  I decided early on that this would be the road to a nervous breakdown and a continual suppression of any freedom at all.

Eleanor, I was not perpetually anxious either - but I early on decided that the safety of this being I had brought into the world was mine.  So I taught him how to cope with various things, eg re crossing the road: to use the local zebra crossing, look both ways etc, did it with him numerous times from babyhood onwards, of course, then watched him do it by himself and them let him set sail doing it himself etc.  And he was taught to do things according to his age and understanding, not when he was not old or experienced enough to understand implications.  Has it created a  neurotic adult? - no way.  It has created a very confidant, capable adult.  I believe your job as a parent is to work yourself out of a job!!   But to do it in a safe and responsible way.   

But all this comes throughout childhood as the chid is led safely to adulthood - it is not at ages 2 and 3

[Eleanor]

Eleanor, I was not perpetually anxious either - but I early on decided that the safety of this being I had brought into the world was mine.  So I taught him how to cope with various things, eg re crossing the road: to use the local zebra crossing, look both ways etc, did it with him numerous times from babyhood onwards, of course, then watched him do it by himself and them let him set sail doing it himself etc.  And he was taught to do things according to his age and understanding, not when he was not old or experienced enough to understand implications.  Has it created a  neurotic adult? - no way.  It has created a very confidant, capable adult.  I believe your job as a parent is to work yourself out of a job!!   But to do it in a safe and responsible way.   

But all this comes throughout childhood as the chid is led safely to adulthood - it is not at ages 2 and 3

Funny you should say that.  My eldest son must have been about three when I went running to rescue him from a swing.  I stopped myself because that was when I realised that I couldn't forever protect him.
My middle son was about four when he used to run off to The Kampong to play with his Chinese friends, and I didn't stop him from doing that.
My youngest son was just a baby when I allowed his Amah to take him home with her for Chinese New Year overnight.
No, I didn't much like any of it.  But you have to start somewhere, and then hope for the best from all people.

Sadly, Madeleine was abducted by a s..m bag of some kind.

[pinkblossoms]

Where is your proof that she is alive?

did I say she is alive,i wouldn't know one way or another but there certainly aint no proof shes dead. 8-)(--)

[CPN]

Funny you should say that.  My eldest son must have been about three when I went running to rescue him from a swing.  I stopped myself because that was when I realised that I couldn't forever protect him.
My middle son was about four when he used to run off to The Kampong to play with his Chinese friends, and I didn't stop him from doing that.
My youngest son was just a baby when I allowed his Amah to take him home with her for Chinese New Year overnight.
No, I didn't much like any of it.  But you have to start somewhere, and then hope for the best from all people.

Sadly, Madeleine was abducted by a s..m bag of some kind.

Totally irrelevant, and off topic(!), but out of interest - where were you living?

[jassi]

did I say she is alive,i wouldn't know one way or another but there certainly aint no proof shes dead.

Quite .  However, it is an either/or position. If you don't believe she is dead, then you must believe she is alive.
Unless she is found, we will never know for sure.

[pinkblossoms]

Quite .  However, it is an either/or position. If you don't believe she is dead, then you must believe she is alive.
Unless she is found, we will never know for sure.

you are clever well done 

[Eleanor]

Totally irrelevant, and off topic(!), but out of interest - where were you living?

In Singapore.  But it isn't necessarily Off Topic since it pertains to what a parent will do to protect or find a missing child.
I often did not know where my children were at any hour of the day.  But I trusted people. And I still do.
It would never have entered my head that someone would have abducted one of them.

[pinkblossoms]

Have you seen her recently?

no actually.have you found her body ?

[CPN]

In Singapore.  But it isn't necessarily Off Topic since it pertains to what a parent will do to protect or find a missing child.
I often did not know where my children were at any hour of the day.  But I trusted people. And I still do.
It would never have entered my head that someone would have abducted one of them.

But you knew, or at least partly knew, the people concerned - eg your Amah, your son's friends. So it is not really the same.   And it was a long time ago, I guess, and Singapore does seem very ordered, structured - at least from my brief visits there.  And it was on what was then home territory to you, and presumably also to your children if you were living there, not foreign territory

[Eleanor]

But you knew, or at least partly knew, the people concerned - eg your Amah, your son's friends. So it is not really the same.   And it was a long time ago, I guess, and Singapore does seem very ordered, structured - at least from my brief visits there.  And it was on what was then home territory to you, and presumably also to your children if you were living there, not foreign territory

Have you ever been to a Kampong?  Or seen a bunch of Chinese children from a Kampong?  And I only knew where he had been because he told me.
But I did trust these people, although I have to say that my child rearing was not condoned by most Brits.
But that's it, you see.  You have to trust somewhere along the way.  You can't spend your life imagining every horror story.

It is so easy for me to see what Kate and Gerry did.  And why they are now shifting their own hell to find Madeleine.