The Find Madeleine Campaign. Controlled Strategy or Runaway Tiger?

[icabodcrane]

I think the point being missed here is that the McCanns made a  'conscious'  decision to place their very young infants at risk

Not at risk of abduction,  certainly  ( that was so obscure a possibility that any parent could be forgiven for not even considering it  ) 

Not even at risk from accident,  perhaps  ...  there is a possibility that the McCanns were ignorant of such dangers and did not consider them either 

But they were certainly aware  that they were leaving their very young children at risk of waking up alone,  frightened,  crying,  and distressed 

It was that  'awareness'  that lead to them checking at half hour intervals,  afterall  ... to see if their children were crying 

And that's what they refuse to acknowledge when they claim they  'did nothing wrong' ....  that they wilfully,   and with forethought,   considered that the risk of  their their infants waking up,  feeling frightened and distressed was worth it 

... for  a night out with their mates

[colombosstogey]

This is a topic that is discussed on the other thread to which I was referring.

Placing children in cars is probably the riskiest thing to do with them as far as their physical safety is concerned.  Yet we don't keep our children from using cars. We accept that their use us unavoidable, and we take the necessary precautions - seatbelts, car seats, not using phone, etc. (theoretically).

There is no way for us to avoid risky situations.  The question is 'what are the sensible and adequate precautions to take in the circumstances?'

Anyway, I derail this thread as I write so let's start a new one or use the old one above.

Placing a child in a car and then leaving the child in the car whilst you go off shopping in the heat of the day, causing the child to suffocate is a CRIMINAL ACT. Parents have done this and been charged for it and lanquish in prison.

LEAVING a child in any circumstances is not acceptable.

LEAVING a child in an apartment night after night is increasing the childs risk of DEATH or INJURY....

Many children sadly have died in FIRES, whilst parents go out and leave them just for 10 minutes.

Anyone using a mobile phone in this country is breaking the law.

There is a photo of a class idiot in the papers today, showing his small child the huge waves coming over a wall which nearly engulfed them. Someone took a PHOTO of this. I would have rang the police. This person was neglectful and should be cautioned......what an idiot.

We cant always legislate for stupidity but we can ourselves try and make it safe for our kids. NEVER leaving them alone night after night is good parenting....FFS. Call herself a DEVOUT CATHOLIC no way.

[CPN]

I think the point being missed here is that the McCanns made a  'conscious'  decision to place their very young infants at risk

Not at risk of abduction,  certainly  ( that was so obscure a possibility that any parent could be forgiven for not even considering it  ) 

Not even at risk from accident,  perhaps  ...  there is a possibility that the McCanns were ignorant of such dangers and did not consider them either 

But they were certainly aware  that they were leaving their very young children at risk of waking up alone,  frightened,  crying,  and distressed 

It was that  'awareness'  that lead to them checking at half hour intervals,  afterall  ... to see if their children were crying 

And that's what they refuse to acknowledge when they claim they  'did nothing wrong' ....  that they wilfully,   and with forethought,   considered that the risk of  their their infants waking up,  feeling frightened and distressed was worth it 

... for  a night out with their mates

For once, I have to disagree with you, Icabodcrane.

Not even at risk from accident,  perhaps  ...  there is a possibility that the McCanns were ignorant of such dangers and did not consider them either 

Both the McCanns were doctors, one was a GP.  The chances that they, and especially she were / was ignorant of the possible danger of accidents is very very remote, considering this would have ben part of the training and the chances that Kate McCann had had a child patient attending A&E for an accident in the home very high. (There are 60,381 licensed doctors on the GP Register, whereas "each year more than 1 million children age under 15 are taken to accident and emergency (A&E) after being injured in or around the home.  Many more children are treated at home by their parents, carers or GP." - http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/accidents-to-children-in-the-home/pages/introduction.aspx  So the chances that Kate McCann, in particular, did not know about accidents to children in the home , quite apart from plain common sense, are remote.

In addition, if she knew of any patient on her list leaving children in this way she would be expected to report it to the relevant authorities and attend any subsequent case conferences.  So I really cannot buy ignorance of the possible dangers (adding that with stone floors, as in Portugal, and on relatively unfamiliar territory, the dangers would be greater)

[stephen25000]

For once, I have to disagree with you, Icabodcrane.

Not even at risk from accident,  perhaps  ...  there is a possibility that the McCanns were ignorant of such dangers and did not consider them either 

Both the McCanns were doctors, one was a GP.  The chances that they, and especially she were / was ignorant of the possible danger of accidents is very very remote, considering this would have ben part of the training and the chances that Kate McCann had had a child patient attending A&E for an accident in the home very high. (There are 60,381 licensed doctors on the GP Register, whereas "each year more than 1 million children age under 15 are taken to accident and emergency (A&E) after being injured in or around the home.  Many more children are treated at home by their parents, carers or GP." - http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/accidents-to-children-in-the-home/pages/introduction.aspx  So the chances that Kate McCann, in particular, did not know about accidents to children in the home , quite apart from plain common sense, are remote.

In addition, if she knew of any patient on her list leaving children in this way she would be expected to report it to the relevant authorities and attend any subsequent case conferences.  So I really cannot buy ignorance of the possible dangers (adding that with stone floors, as in Portugal, and on relatively unfamiliar territory, the dangers would be greater)

Precisely CPN.

 

[Mr Gray]

You will all be going on with the same arguments for the next 20 years ...Icad has admitted that the risk from serious accident or abduction was extremely unlikely....they were doing what countless families have done before them.. the abduction will lessen the numbers of children left alone in such circumstances..move on  and get a life

[stephen25000]

You will all be going on with the same arguments for the next 20 years ...Icad has admitted that the risk from serious accident or abduction was extremely unlikely....they were doing what countless families have done before them.. the abduction will lessen the numbers of children left alone in such circumstances..move on  and get a life

Abduction ???

[jassi]

You will all be going on with the same arguments for the next 20 years

I do so hope not

[Mr Gray]

I do so hope not

who would have thought six years later the same criticisms would be made...we have had some progress...icad has admitted that the chances of abduction or serious accident was extremely low...some sanity at last

[Lyall]

who would have thought six years later the same criticisms would be made...we have had some progress...icad has admitted that the chances of abduction or serious accident was extremely low...some sanity at last

I really think much of the continuing criticism - on this issue - only comes because there are still people excusing the inexcusable.

Just ask Mrs McCann's mother.

[Mr Gray]

For once, I have to disagree with you, Icabodcrane.

Not even at risk from accident,  perhaps  ...  there is a possibility that the McCanns were ignorant of such dangers and did not consider them either 

Both the McCanns were doctors, one was a GP.  The chances that they, and especially she were / was ignorant of the possible danger of accidents is very very remote, considering this would have ben part of the training and the chances that Kate McCann had had a child patient attending A&E for an accident in the home very high. (There are 60,381 licensed doctors on the GP Register, whereas "each year more than 1 million children age under 15 are taken to accident and emergency (A&E) after being injured in or around the home.  Many more children are treated at home by their parents, carers or GP." - http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/accidents-to-children-in-the-home/pages/introduction.aspx  So the chances that Kate McCann, in particular, did not know about accidents to children in the home , quite apart from plain common sense, are remote.

In addition, if she knew of any patient on her list leaving children in this way she would be expected to report it to the relevant authorities and attend any subsequent case conferences.  So I really cannot buy ignorance of the possible dangers (adding that with stone floors, as in Portugal, and on relatively unfamiliar territory, the dangers would be greater)

 im sure kate knew about the risk of accidents...which has been fully discussed before...fire and stairs are the real risk factors  that Kate would have taken into account

[Eleanor]

im sure kate knew about the risk of accidents...which has been fully discussed before...fire and stairs are the real risk factors  that Kate would have taken into account

Pull Plugs.  Hide sharp objects.  Hide Medicines and other toxic substances.  Hide Matches.  In fact all things to be done before going to bed in case the little horrors get up in the middle of the night.  Just plain common sense.

[slartibartfast]

Pull Plugs.  Hide sharp objects.  Hide Medicines and other toxic substances.  Hide Matches.  In fact all things to be done before going to bed in case the little horrors get up in the middle of the night.  Just plain common sense.

...remain close by in case you are needed.

[stephen25000]

...remain close by in case you are needed.

and don't leave your children by themselves whilst out eating and drinking.

[Eleanor]

...remain close by in case you are needed.

Don't drink anything.  And don't go to sleep.  Sleeping pills are a definite No No.

[Wonderfulspam]

and don't leave your children by themselves whilst out eating and drinking.

And if you do then at least make sure you leave the sofa pushed right up against the wall.