The Find Madeleine Campaign. Controlled Strategy or Runaway Tiger?

[Mr Gray]

And if you do then at least make sure you leave the sofa pushed right up against the wall.

 What about don't smoke...don't smoke cannabis ...as it is likely your children will copy you

[Lyall]

What about don't smoke...don't smoke cannabis ...as it is likely your children will copy you

At least you have a sense of humour.

[Lyall]

I can't say the same about some of your mates though

[Wonderfulspam]

What about don't smoke...don't smoke cannabis ...as it is likely your children will copy you

What about, more children have died in tragic household accidents than have died from smoking cannabis.

[slartibartfast]

drugs ruin lives....off topic anyway

Sedatives?

[Carana]

Placing a child in a car and then leaving the child in the car whilst you go off shopping in the heat of the day, causing the child to suffocate is a CRIMINAL ACT. Parents have done this and been charged for it and lanquish in prison.

LEAVING a child in any circumstances is not acceptable.

LEAVING a child in an apartment night after night is increasing the childs risk of DEATH or INJURY....

Many children sadly have died in FIRES, whilst parents go out and leave them just for 10 minutes.

Anyone using a mobile phone in this country is breaking the law.

There is a photo of a class idiot in the papers today, showing his small child the huge waves coming over a wall which nearly engulfed them. Someone took a PHOTO of this. I would have rang the police. This person was neglectful and should be cautioned......what an idiot.

We cant always legislate for stupidity but we can ourselves try and make it safe for our kids. NEVER leaving them alone night after night is good parenting....FFS. Call herself a DEVOUT CATHOLIC no way.

Using a mobile is illegal in which country?

[icabodcrane]

You will all be going on with the same arguments for the next 20 years ...Icad has admitted that the risk from serious accident or abduction was extremely unlikely....they were doing what countless families have done before them.. the abduction will lessen the numbers of children left alone in such circumstances..move on  and get a life

Well now,  that is not what I said at all is it  ?

Yes,  the risk of abduction was so remote that it might,  reasonably,  not be considerd  as a risk at all

The risk of accidents,  however,  is not remote , and is something responsible and adaquate parents  would consisder

I was allowing for the possibility that the  McCanns were not responsible and adequate parents during that holiday,  and that, as such,  the risk of accidents did not even occur to them  (  highly unlikely given that they are not below average intelligence,  but a possibility, nevertheless  )

The real point I was making was that whilst they may not have considered  abduction as a risk  (  quite reasonably ),     and whilst they may not have considered the risk of accidents  (  far less reasonably ),  they   DID  consider the risk of their very young children waking and crying, frightened and distressed

They  knew  there was a risk of that happening  ...  indeed,  that was the very reason they did their half hourly checks  ...  just in case their young infants were  awake, frightened and crying for them  (  perhaps having been doing so for up to half an hour )

The McCanns were  'OK'  with that possibility  they were  OK  with the possibilty that their  three infants might be frightened, crying and distressed in finding themselves alone

Perhaps some members here agree with them  ...  perhaps some members here also think there is 'nothing wrong'  with very young infants  being frightened and distressed, because  mum and dad are not there when they wake   ...  perhaps some members here think,  as the McCanns did,  that it's no big deal,  and worth the risk for a night out with mates 

[Mr Gray]

Well now,  that is not what I said at all is it  ?

Yes,  the risk of abduction was so remote that it might,  reasonably,  not be considerd  as a risk at all

The risk of accidents,  however,  is not remote , and is something responsible and adaquate parents  would consisder

I was allowing for the possibility that the  McCanns were not responsible and adequate parents during that holiday,  and that, as such,  the risk of accidents did not even occur to them  (  highly unlikely given that they are not below average intelligence,  but a possibility, nevertheless  )

The real point I was making was that whilst they may not have considered  abduction as a risk  (  quite reasonably ),     and whilst they may not have considered the risk of accidents  (  far less reasonably ),  they   DID  consider the risk of their very young children waking and crying, frightened and distressed

They  knew  there was a risk of that happening  ...  indeed,  that was the very reason they did their half hourly checks  ...  just in case their young infants were  awake, frightened and crying for them  (  perhaps having been doing so for up to half an hour )

The McCanns were  'OK'  with that possibility  they were  OK  with the possibilty that their  three infants might be frightened, crying and distressed in finding themselves alone

Perhaps some members here agree with them  ...  perhaps some members here also think there is 'nothing wrong'  with very young infants  being frightened and distressed, because  mum and dad are not there when they wake   ...  perhaps some members here think,  as the McCanns did,  that it's no big deal,  and worth the risk for a night out with mates

 Its ok I understood exactly what you said the first time.....

[Sherlock Holmes]

Please start a new thread regarding parenting / safety issues or return to the old one.

This thread relates to the McCanns' campaign strategy only.

I will ask the higher-ups to move these posts over if you wish to continue the discussion.

[Redblossom]

Using a mobile is illegal in which country?

Colombo is probably from the uk so means uk but dozens of countries have made this illegal including portugal
So the point of your question was?

See list of countries where its banned!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phones_and_driving_safety#List_of_countries_with_bans

[Mr Gray]

Well now,  that is not what I said at all is it  ?

Yes,  the risk of abduction was so remote that it might,  reasonably,  not be considerd  as a risk at all

The risk of accidents,  however,  is not remote , and is something responsible and adaquate parents  would consisder

I was allowing for the possibility that the  McCanns were not responsible and adequate parents during that holiday,  and that, as such,  the risk of accidents did not even occur to them  (  highly unlikely given that they are not below average intelligence,  but a possibility, nevertheless  )

The real point I was making was that whilst they may not have considered  abduction as a risk  (  quite reasonably ),     and whilst they may not have considered the risk of accidents  (  far less reasonably ),  they   DID  consider the risk of their very young children waking and crying, frightened and distressed

They  knew  there was a risk of that happening  ...  indeed,  that was the very reason they did their half hourly checks  ...  just in case their young infants were  awake, frightened and crying for them  (  perhaps having been doing so for up to half an hour )

The McCanns were  'OK'  with that possibility  they were  OK  with the possibilty that their  three infants might be frightened, crying and distressed in finding themselves alone

Perhaps some members here agree with them  ...  perhaps some members here also think there is 'nothing wrong'  with very young infants  being frightened and distressed, because  mum and dad are not there when they wake   ...  perhaps some members here think,  as the McCanns did,  that it's no big deal,  and worth the risk for a night out with mates

 I agree with you that the most probable thing to happen would be the children waking and being distressed...this is just as likely to happen in a hotel scenario and that is why I don't see why these don't attract the same criticism

[Angelo222]

I agree with you that the most probable thing to happen would be the children waking and being distressed...this is just as likely to happen in a hotel scenario and that is why I don't see why these don't attract the same criticism

You would hardly compare a roadside apartment with two entrances to a hotel room would you?   Madeleine most probably awoke and walked out the front door just as she did every day they were there.  She either went down a manhole or someone picked her up.  Either way she never left PdL.

[Mr Gray]

You would hardly compare a roadside apartment with two entrances to a hotel room would you?

 I think children would be just as distressed waking up in a hotel room alone

[Angelo222]

I think children would be just as distressed waking up in a hotel room alone

Yes, true but at least they wouldn't be tempted to stray.

[Redblossom]

Yes, true but at least they wouldn't be tempted to stray.

Out of an open patio door leading to two death traps....balcony to fall over or stair gate onto concrete steps....yes, exactly like a secure hotel stepping into a corridoor wandering .iF the door was unlocked....and most likely to be seen by tennnts staff or guests pdq.....