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Offline John

Re: Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?
« Reply #90 on: January 08, 2014, 12:22:16 AM »
So how do we know that the same 'sneak thief' wasn't the same person who was in the building on April 17th, April 26th and May 3rd?
April 26th and May 3rd, for example.  being both Thursdays?

Sneak thiefs strike once usually in daylight then scarper.  A burglar can spend weeks casing premises before striking.  Neither usually return to the scene for some time.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?
« Reply #91 on: January 08, 2014, 12:24:46 AM »
Assuming for a moment that she was abducted, then timing was indeed critical.  The comings and goings made it an extremely risky strategy so someone wanted to get her really badly.  The time was running out, the family were due to leave in a couple of days so the pressure was on.  I would say that they were being observed probably most of the day and evening in order to determine when would be the best time to strike.

The hap-hazard manner in which the checks were being done presented a major problem for an abductor. He was extremely lucky not to have been caught but then that brings us back to the Tanner sighting.



I think the 2.6m reward would have found Madeleine but I'm sorry to say that the dogs found that answer. If you follow that theory then opportunity becomes a lot wider in how Madeleine just vanished except for the Smithman sighting which IMO shows the desperation measures that one had to go to in order to keep her from being found.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline sadie

Re: Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?
« Reply #92 on: January 08, 2014, 12:29:22 AM »
I think the 2.6m reward would have found Madeleine but I'm sorry to say that the dogs found that answer. If you follow that theory then opportunity becomes a lot wider in how Madeleine just vanished except for the Smithman sighting which IMO shows the desperation measures that one had to go to in order to keep her from being found.
The dogs DID NOT find the answer.  Time you mugged up on what the dogs actually found ... at it wasn't what Amaral thought at all.  Seems either he didn't understand their markings or he didn't want to.

I can recommend ferryman to help you with understanding the dogs markings and what these markings did and didn't mean.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?
« Reply #93 on: January 08, 2014, 12:34:04 AM »
The dogs DID NOT find the answer.  Time you mugged up on what the dogs actually found ... at it wasn't what Amaral thought at all.  Seems either he didn't understand their markings or he didn't want to.

I can recommend ferryman to help you with understanding the dogs markings and what these markings did and didn't mean.

There is no certainty the dogs did not find the answer since the child has not been found alive.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?
« Reply #94 on: January 08, 2014, 12:36:51 AM »
The dogs DID NOT find the answer.  Time you mugged up on what the dogs actually found ... at it wasn't what Amaral thought at all.  Seems either he didn't understand their markings or he didn't want to.

I can recommend ferryman to help you with understanding the dogs markings and what these markings did and didn't mean.

Wait until the final report from SY once they've investigated all leads. Someone died in 5A and Eddie found the cadaver odour like he did in many cases.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline John

Re: Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?
« Reply #95 on: January 08, 2014, 12:39:34 AM »
The dogs DID NOT find the answer.  Time you mugged up on what the dogs actually found ... at it wasn't what Amaral thought at all.  Seems either he didn't understand their markings or he didn't want to.

I can recommend ferryman to help you with understanding the dogs markings and what these markings did and didn't mean.

Truth is Sadie nobody knows what the dogs found.  Out of curiosity, what do you think they found?
« Last Edit: January 08, 2014, 12:41:34 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

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Re: Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?
« Reply #96 on: January 08, 2014, 12:43:47 AM »
Truth is Sadie nobody knows what the dogs found.

Quite so

The dog may,  indeed,  have been alerting to the scent of the dead body of the child who was reported missing six years ago, and never been seen since

That is,  most definately,  a possibility

Offline pegasus

Re: Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?
« Reply #97 on: January 08, 2014, 12:44:30 AM »
weren't burglars in an apt where both the parents and the children were present a week before Maddie was abducted
This one? Please note it was a Whole Year before 3 May 2007 (and other reports claiming it was "a few days before" are wrong IMO)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2460514/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-speak-delight-overwhelming-response-Crimewatch-reconstruction.html
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In the same week a year before she was abducted, a burglar tried to rob another apartment in the Ocean Club resort but fled empty-handed after a toddler screamed.
IIRC another report of same incident said the parents were "outside" (I assume that means balcony or garden but not sure).

Offline sadie

Re: Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?
« Reply #98 on: January 08, 2014, 12:51:33 AM »
Truth is Sadie nobody knows what the dogs found.  Out of curiosity, what do you think they found?
Could have been any human, or pig, stuff including saliva, urine etc.

As you say no-one knows what they found, yet Amaral bases his case on  .... erm .... nothing  ... ....cos, as you say, John, no-one knows what the dogs actually did find

Offline Benice

Re: Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?
« Reply #99 on: January 08, 2014, 01:05:44 AM »
Wait until the final report from SY once they've investigated all leads. Someone died in 5A and Eddie found the cadaver odour like he did in many cases.

So you don't believe Martin Grime's reasons as to  why Eddie might alert?   One of which is that he alerts to body bits from living people and blood from living people.  As  he did with the Keyfob in the car, which turned out to be Gerry's blood he was alerting to.

It is not true to claim as a fact that someone died in 5A without calling Martin Grime a liar at the same time.





 
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Offline pegasus

Re: Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?
« Reply #100 on: January 08, 2014, 01:09:26 AM »
Burglary 2006 (disturbed by child) = Only one thief seen.
Burglary apartment 5L (successful) = No indication of any more than one thief.
Burglary apartment in block 2 (successful) = No indication of any more than one thief.
Burglary apartment 5G (disturbed by resident) = Only one thief seen.
There is no evidence of any gang of 3 burglars in any of these PDL burglaries.
Lone burglars yes, gangs of 3 no.

Offline pegasus

Re: Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?
« Reply #101 on: January 08, 2014, 01:22:42 AM »
Wait until the final report from SY once they've investigated all leads. Someone died in 5A and Eddie found the cadaver odour like he did in many cases.
Which location (lounge, south bedroom, garden) IYO was first?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?
« Reply #102 on: January 08, 2014, 01:38:00 AM »
Which location (lounge, south bedroom, garden) IYO was first?


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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?
« Reply #103 on: January 08, 2014, 01:49:03 AM »
... yes that seems to be the most logical.
Ok, where was bedtime IYO?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?
« Reply #104 on: January 08, 2014, 01:51:08 AM »
I think something happened at around 6.45-7.10pm. Bedtime would be 7.30pm. Madeleine possibly a little later.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2014, 01:54:51 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.