Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?

[pathfinder73]

Neither can I, but I like to keep an open mind.
Untill I see proof they didn't batter her to death behind the sofa then I don't think that possibility should be entirely ruled out

You can't rule out that an argument may have happened and escalated at 7pm because the atmosphere between the pair could've been very frosty that day with her sleeping in the spare bed the night before. Kate was angry with the way Gerry stormed off and his flirting with women - quiz night etc. This could be the root of the daily routine change (she was going to have it out with Gerry at 7pm) and not necessarily Madeleine being tired being the reason which was unusual for her. Some think those bruises could have been from being grabbed tightly and restrained because of their location and hitting the walls later were to cover it - you usually hit with fist/hand part not where the bruises are. But hitting arms down on railings on the balcony would also have caused those bruises IMO.

[Redblossom]

ok so that gives a sequence of 4 locations, (north bedrm, lounge, south bedrm, gdn)
interesting that room 1 itself has no signal, whereas room 2 has a signal

Yes thats some anomaly

[Redblossom]

Sorry to drift off topic but it's just one post in reply.

Other than through the dogs, cadaver scent is non detectable whilst all the other traces that you mentioned are. I would imagine on that basis that Amaral is basing his opinion on the absence of all other detectable evidence.

Thats a sticking point very much....if as some suggest the cadaver dog was alerting to urine, e.g. Why only in 5a....if as some suggest he was alerting to rotting teeth, bad breath, fingernails torn off, etc.....why only there? Also do these items once removed leave a lingering scent for months? I doubt it.  Beaides, the chemical composition of a decayng body is not the same as that of eg for urine....whistling in the dark imo...no need to answer, off topic and done to death.....

[Lace]

These three men who are known to be burglars,   has it been mentioned at all by the police that they are a gang working together?     

I am really interested to know how they got in to the apartment's  too.

[Lace]

Thats a sticking point very much....if as some suggest the cadaver dog was alerting to urine, e.g. Why only in 5a....if as some suggest he was alerting to rotting teeth, bad breath, fingernails torn off, etc.....why only there? Also do these items once removed leave a lingering scent for months? I doubt it.  Beaides, the chemical composition of a decayng body is not the same as that of eg for urine....whistling in the dark imo...no need to answer, off topic and done to death.....

It is also puzzling that Eddie didn't alert to blood outside of 5a,   surely there must have been a tiny spot of blood somewhere in those other properties.

[jassi]

These three men who are known to be burglars,  has it been mentioned at all by the police that they are a gang working together?     

I am really interested to know how they got in to the apartment's  too.

Not sure that they have been mentioned by the police at all - it all seems to stem from an unconfirmed story in the Daily Mail.

[Redblossom]

It is also puzzling that Eddie didn't alert to blood outside of 5a,   surely there must have been a tiny spot of blood somewhere in those other properties.

That only supports any argument he wasnt reacting to some speck of blood in 5a

[pathfinder73]

No blood was found at the wardrobe by Keela. It was cadaver odour that Eddie detected there - that's his job.

Vol. IX p. 2482

 location where the E.V.R.D. alerted in the front bedroom of the offenders
 empty next door dwelling house. When interviewed the suspect admitted that
 the body had lain in the room for 1 hour prior to disposal. Forensic teams
 were unable to extract any forensic evidence despite being shown the exact
 position.

[Benice]

You never did back that quote up

It's not a quote - read Martin Grimes descriptions of his dogs' skills - you will find those attributes are amongst them.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Didn't the Mrs Fenns burglar come in while she was in? The burglar was disturbed by Mrs Fenn?

Yes. Though he took nothing from her home - as far as she noticed.

[pegasus]

It is also puzzling that Eddie didn't alert to blood outside of 5a,   surely there must have been a tiny spot of blood somewhere in those other properties.

"the undersigned were told that they should proceed ...... with the recovery of several pieces of the branches of the climbing plant in the garden (for later check of possible blood traces on them) ......"
"there proceeded the collection of several branches of the climbing plant in the garden they having been encased in a paper package referenced as trace evidence number 21"
"...... delivered to the FSS in Birmingham"

[pegasus]

I don't think so. At the first whiff of discovery, albeit by a small child, any burglar would be straight out the door and away, fast as they could.

Two people disturb each other. Agreed thief flees. And what does the other person do?

[Carana]

perhaps, but, and? Ive never heard of a burgler abducting a chld, have you?

Voisey, a.k.a. Smith, was originally questioned because he was a registered sex offender, as part of a wide sweep of local people who might be of interest. Originally a known sneak thief, committing high risk burglaries with a chance of discovery,[2] he had been convicted in 2001 of sexually assaulting a 12-year-old girl in a swimming pool changing room in Cheshire.[3] He was not initially considered a priority lead, as he had been classified low risk due to good behaviour.[2] Voisey initially appeared good natured, and had a good account of his movements. He continued to strenuously deny any involvement when further interviewed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willington_Quay_child_abduction_case#cite_note-cw-2

[jassi]

Two people disturb each other. Agreed thief flees. And what does the other person do?

Who knows? Would depend on who that person was and what they were doing at the time.

[Carana]

Other interesting reading:

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/vdhb.pdf

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hb.pdf


The four entries to show offenders are versatile ...

Burglaries and Sexual Aggression
In Guttmacher'ss group of 36 dangerous aggressive sexual offenders, only 1 had a history of exhibitionism, whereas 8 (22%) had a history of burglary. He concludes that "the basic personality structure of the burglar resembled that of the rapist far more closely than that of the exhibitionist. In fact, the legal term
'breaking and entering' bears just such a connotation" (p. 383). This finding is confirmed by Revitch's study of 43 men who had made serious attacks on women, including beating, choking, knifing, and nine murders. Here, only 3 offenders had a history of prior sexual offenses while 12 (28%) had a record of burglary. Four of the 12 (33%) combined burglary with assault on the female occupant. MacDonald also has described several cases of dangerous sex offenders with a history of burglaries escalating to rape and serious assault.

http://www.jaapl.org/content/27/2/227.full.pdf