Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?

[Redblossom]

Interesting point, buzz. But do we know that there were small and portable items of value in 5A to take?

Perhaps the McCanns had their money / cards etc, with them. Jewelry - most people don't take their expensive jewelry on holiday, or if they do they have it in a safe.

Perhaps someone with an encyclopedic knowledge of the files (Redblossom?) can remember if there is any reference to the McCanns' belongings in the apartment..?

I dont recall anything in the files but it was widely reported in the media they said nothing of value was stolen....ps I do not have an encyclopaedic knowledge of the files....I havent read every page or even half of them...anyone who says they have is telling porkies IMO..theres just too much

 

But what I have read I remember in general but if not I can find stuff quickly, and link, thats all


 

[VIXTE]

Ok so currently outside heading away is a would-be thief who never entered and has fled into the night, taking nobody.
And inside, a definite reason for waking and for exiting fast into another room.
WIthout taking sides.... it behaviourally increases the chance of accident, or (if ventures into public area) abduction.

She did not go out on her own.. there were no signs of it.. curtain pulled, patio doors closed, the garden gate closed.. you have to be an adult and neat to leave the doors like that..

[Redblossom]

She did not go out on her own.. there were no signs of it.. curtain pulled, patio doors closed, the garden gate closed.. you have to be an adult and neat to leave the doors like that..

but thats hearsay surely from an arguido in the case....and nothing more? You are asking people to blanket believe kate mccann, is that sane or logical?

just making a general point, I have no theory if Madeleine left the flat on her own and where from but also fact  remains KM said she would be able to...and thats WHY she lefft the back door open...according to her mates statements that is....

[VIXTE]

but thats hearsay surely from an arguido in the case....and nothing more? You are asking people to blanket believe kate mccann, is that sane or logical?

kate is an arguido?
No, you must be wrong. She is not..

[Redblossom]

kate is an arguido?
No, you must be wrong. She is not..

No you are quite right shes not but she was....care to respond to the comment? Anyway? no, didnt think so but nite sir!

[Redblossom]

It's not a quote - read Martin Grimes descriptions of his dogs' skills - you will find those attributes are amongst them.

read all grimes reports and cv, cant recall him say eddie alerts to "body bits" from living people..eddie is /was..rip.... a cadaver dog....not a live human rescue one....

he can alert to blood and to semen but thats it

Sorry for late reply.....post on too many threads and forget to check back sometimes......

[pegasus]

She did not go out on her own.. there were no signs of it.. curtain pulled, patio doors closed, the garden gate closed.. you have to be an adult and neat to leave the doors like that..

Yes IMO KM is an honest witness, the lounge patio door was shut, and the 2 gates outside (at top and bottom of steps) closed.

[pegasus]

I am a fan of Mr A, but IMO a big mistake of the original investigation was the deduction that KM opened the window.
Was it based  on the on the 5 identifiable prints of left ring finger and left middle finger?,
 Or (if you prefer accuracy) on the identifiable print of a left thumb?  >@@(*&)

[colombosstogey]

According to the System for Internal Safety (SSI), which collates information from the country’s various security forces in the ALGARVE (the most popular part of Portugal for holidays)in 2012 there were 66 reported incidences.

Residential burglaries in the Algarve made up 6.5 percent of the national total in 2010-2012.

So in 2007 the figures would have been even less. The stats dont actually STACK up do they to all these burglaries in one tiny town....or are we to assume the 6.5 percent belonged to PDL. >@@(*&)

I found these stats very interesting, as it shows in all of ALGARVE there were only 66 REPORTED incidences.

Hardly a haven for gangs of burglars one would think.

Which makes it even less likely that a gang of THREE would be operating in a quiet town like PDL.

When you consider in the UK every 40 SECONDS there is a burglary, how many of them take children?

NADA, ZILCH.

So no i dont think there is any relevance to the 1 burglary in OC.

[VIXTE]

Yes IMO KM is an honest witness, the lounge patio door was shut, and the 2 gates outside (at top and bottom of steps) closed.

And the same time the patio doors were left unlocked.
Wouldn't the potential burglar who just wants to enter the property know this?
What about the possibility of the intruder having the main door key?
What about the possibility that the window was open to hide the fact that the intruder had a key?

[Angelo222]

There was nothing to stop Madeleine walking out the front door as she did every morning on her way to the childrens club.  Children remember routine.

The burglar theory is a non starter.  Burglars don't take minors..  she either walked out the front door of her own volition or she was the victim of a planned abduction or kidnap.

[Wonderfulspam]

There was nothing to stop Madeleine walking out the front door as she did every morning on her way to the childrens club.  Children remember routine.

The burglar theory is a non starter.  Burglars don't take minors..  she either walked out the front door of her own volition or she was the victim of a planned abduction or kidnap.

Or she died & her body was disposed of unlawfully. That's still a possibility.

[icabodcrane]

If Scotland yard really are working on the theory that a trio of petty burglars took a three year child because she woke up and disturbed them then the public should be asking for their money back

It  is absolute  nonsense and would be  laughable if the subject weren't such a serious one

What,  exactly,  were these petty thieves intending to do with the infant  they are, inexplicably,  suggested to have taken on the spur of the moment   ? 

[jassi]

I have asked this before, but have SY ever officially confirmed that they are investigating a gang of 3 or is it just tabloid drivel?

[John]

I would imagine tabloid drivel. There's no evidence to suggest burglars were ever present.

    Burglars rob and then scarper.  Hanging around for a second bite at the cherry is a no no.