Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?

[Carana]

If Scotland yard really are working on the theory that a trio of petty burglars took a three year child because she woke up and disturbed them then the public should be asking for their money back

It  is absolute  nonsense and would be  laughable if the subject weren't such a serious one

What,  exactly,  were these petty thieves intending to do with the infant  they are, inexplicably,  suggested to have taken on the spur of the moment   ?

A gang of three wouldn't necessarily all invade the apartment, would they? Would they necessarily all operate as a coordinated gang at all times, or as a loose association? If ever it was a loose association of burglars / thiefs, one could have been tempted to take a child without even telling the others explicitly.

[jassi]

Gang sounds so much better, don't you think ? It suggests planning and organisation - just the sort of thing you need when spiriting away a small child for sale.

[pathfinder73]

The only evidence of a break in was the open window that nobody passed through  8-)(--) So what time did this gang strike? The only possible way was using a front door key to enter and exit. That window was opened from the inside and no gang would open it in a room full of beds and cots and chair to pass in the dark (risk of leaving evidence). They would be in and out the front door asap. A professional gang wasting precious time and opening noisy shutters - anyone who believes that are living in fantasy land. So who opened the window from the inside?

[jassi]

The only evidence of a break in was the open window that nobody passed through  8-)(--) So what time did this gang strike? The only possible way was using a front door key to enter and exit. That window was opened from the inside and no gang would open it in a room full of beds and cots and chair to pass in the dark (risk of leaving evidence). They would be in and out the front door asap. A professional gang wasting precious time and opening noisy shutters - anyone who believes that are living in fantasy land. So who opened the window from the inside?

Or use the patio door which was unlocked.

[pathfinder73]

Or use the patio door which was unlocked.

The unlocked patio door could have been used to enter but they weren't in a hurry and closed everything behind them and left no trace of entering that way. What time? Before Matt's check at 9.30pm or after?

[jassi]

The unlocked patio door could have been used to enter but they weren't in a hurry and closed everything behind them and left no trace of entering that way. What time? Before Matt's check at 9.30pm or after?

Very meticulous and respecters of property, these burglars - after all, they took nothing of value according to Mrs Cameron.

[Redblossom]

Gang sounds so much better, don't you think ? It suggests planning and organisation - just the sort of thing you need when spiriting away a small child for sale.

Thats what Donal McIntyre thought way back in 2009....at least two and well versed in house breaking


Only bit I don't get is where he says they had only 3 to 5 minutes to execute the plan....but also cleaned the crime scene

No precedent for this is there....though some will shout, that / stats dont matter at all


Eta Oops, forgot to link to the whole theory from the Express


http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/128671/Madeleine-I-know-how-she-was-taken

[Carana]

Gang sounds so much better, don't you think ? It suggests planning and organisation - just the sort of thing you need when spiriting away a small child for sale.

Yes, but a gang can mean different things to different people. An organised group working in concertation on a specific event, or a loose association of people who may sometimes work together or simply help each other out.

IFFFF,  for example, someone facilitated getting keys for various residences duplicated, that person would not necessarily have been directly involved in any burglaries (or the abduction of a child) unless that person was participating at the time.

Would such a person come forward? I would find that unlikely unless some kind of amnesty could be offered for minor accomplices or people who could have been charged for other misdemeanors if they had come forward. An amnesty of that kind occurred recently in the UK (?).

[Carana]

Thats what Donal McIntyre thought way back in 2009....at least two and well versed in house breaking


Only bit I don't get is where he says they had only 3 to 5 minutes to execute the plan....but also cleaned the crime scene

No precedent for this is there....though some will shout, that / stats dont matter at all


Eta Oops, forgot to link to the whole theory from the Express


http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/128671/Madeleine-I-know-how-she-was-taken

I don't happen to agree with everything he says.

[pathfinder73]

Thats what Donal McIntyre thought way back in 2009....at least two and well versed in house breaking


Only bit I don't get is where he says they had only 3 to 5 minutes to execute the plan....but also cleaned the crime scene

No precedent for this is there....though some will shout, that / stats dont matter at all

At least he tries to cover all the discrepancies by saying the abductor was hiding inside on Gerry's check and used the window to pass Madeleine through to another. But how long is realistic for an abductor to be hiding in the apartment? You start to realise the nonsense of it all. No window was open at 9.30 on Matt's check so if the abductor was in there at 9pm before Gerry checked then for how long? Over 30 minutes is not possible in an apartment before the window is opened.

For it to be possible the shutters and window would have to be open before Matt's check at 9.30 IMO.

[Redblossom]

At least he tries to cover all the discrepancies by saying the abductor was hiding inside on Gerry's check and used the window to pass Madeleine through to another. But how long is realistic for an abductor to be hiding in the apartment? You start to realise the nonsense of it all. No window was open at 9.30 on Matt's check so if the abductor was in there at 9pm before Gerry checked then for how long? Over 30 minutes is not possible in an apartment before the window is opened.

For it to be possible the shutters and window would have to be open before Matt's check at 9.30 IMO.

Indeed


Window shutters and curtains open, or at least flapping around with the wind!

Eta

It was very late in the day that KM described the gust of wind that wooshed the curtains open from a closed position when she checked at 10 pm or so

Before that...it was

- found the curtains open and
- ran over and opened them

[Redblossom]

I don't happen to agree with everything he says.

Whch bits?

[sadie]

Indeed


Window shutters and curtains open, or at least flapping around with the wind!

Eta

It was very late in the day that KM described the gust of wind that wooshed the curtains open from a closed position when she checked at 10 pm or so

Before that...it was

- found the curtains open and
- ran over and opened them

What do you mean, Red?  The curtains were open but someone ran over and opened them?  Doesn't make sense to me.  Were they opened twice?

So, Just who found the curtains open and ran over and opened them?  I dont remember anything like that.

Can you enlighten please.

[Redblossom]

What do you mean, Red?  The curtains were open but someone ran over and opened them?  Doesn't make sense to me.  Were they opened twice?

So, Just who found the curtains open and ran over and opened them?  I dont remember anything like that.

Can you enlighten please.

see my post 535 here and the link at the end to the joint tapas group statement 10 may...therein it states KM ran over and opened them, which is different to other KM  versions...must be translation errors, confusion etc though Im sure, though the joint group typed statement was prepared by them in english, no translation required as was her own words on tv

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1868.msg115492#msg115492

[icabodcrane]

At least he tries to cover all the discrepancies by saying the abductor was hiding inside on Gerry's check and used the window to pass Madeleine through to another. But how long is realistic for an abductor to be hiding in the apartment? You start to realise the nonsense of it all. No window was open at 9.30 on Matt's check so if the abductor was in there at 9pm before Gerry checked then for how long? Over 30 minutes is not possible in an apartment before the window is opened.

For it to be possible the shutters and window would have to be open before Matt's check at 9.30 IMO.

...  and he did that after  'spending a week  on the ground investigating' 

Makes you wonder why it's taken Scotland Yard three years and six million quid to come up with a very similiar,  and equally risible theory