Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?

[sadie]

see my post 535 here and the link at the end to the joint tapas group statement 10 may...therein it states KM ran over and opened them, which is different to other KM  versions...must be translation errors, confusion etc though Im sure, though the joint group typed statement was prepared by them in english, no translation required as was her own words on tv

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1868.msg115492#msg115492

Thank you Red

[Redblossom]

...  and he did that after  'spending a week  on the ground investigating' 

Makes you wonder why it's taken Scotland Yard three years and six million quid to come up with a very similiar,  and equally risible theory

*snortle*

but...but....they may be hard at work finding the perpetrator/s....

Lets not forget all the crap they have to wade through.....just like the PJ had to in 2007

[pathfinder73]

...  and he did that after  'spending a week  on the ground investigating' 

Makes you wonder why it's taken Scotland Yard three years and six million quid to come up with a very similiar,  and equally risible theory

If they are telling the truth about the door position it means it's impossible for an abduction to take place unless there is lying going on about the door.

8.30 door ajar

9.05 door half-open (Gerry found that unusual) 1st discrepancy - 1. abductor moved it but Madeleine still in bed so is hiding in apartment 2. Madeleine woke up and moved it . Gerry puts door back to ajar

9.30 Matt finds door half-open 2nd discrepancy 1. abductor moved it a second time 2. Madeleine woke up again and moved it.

Kate checks and finds the door wide open 3rd discrepancy 1. Matt moved it but he said he didn't 2. abductor moved it a third time 3. Madeleine did a third time

Crazy isn't it? Imagine if that door was always half-open like Matt found it and people were mistaken on it's position or lied. That would easily explain the discrepancy of the door and would connect with the window being open. You have to consider simplicity being the key in this case otherwise how can you explain a door moving three times in an hour. It's impossible. Madeleine moved it 3 times - I don't think so. An abductor did - I don't think so. Staging has to be considered as a possibility because the discrepancy of the door and the window being open after Matt's check leads you there.

[VIXTE]

Well.. I am going to refer to Joanna Yeates case again.. if her body wasn't found and the phone masts weren't changed nobody would know it was her next door neighbour who killed her..

[VIXTE]

If they are telling the truth about the door position it means it's impossible for an abduction to take place unless there is lying going on about the door.

8.30 door ajar

9.05 door half-open (Gerry found that unusual) 1st discrepancy - 1. abductor moved it but Madeleine still in bed so is hiding in apartment 2. Madeleine woke up and moved it . Gerry puts door back to ajar

9.30 Matt finds door half-open 2nd discrepancy 1. abductor moved it a second time 2. Madeleine woke up again and moved it.

Kate checks and finds the door wide open 3rd discrepancy 1. Matt moved it but he said he didn't 2. abductor moved it a third time 3. Madeleine did a third time

Crazy isn't it? Imagine if that door was always half-open like Matt found it and people were mistaken on it's position or lied. That would easily explain the discrepancy of the door and would connect with the window being open. You have to consider simplicity being the key in this case otherwise how can you explain a door moving three times in an hour. It's impossible. Madeleine moved it 3 times - I don't think so. An abductor did - I don't think so. Staging has to be considered as a possibility because the discrepancy of the door and the window being open after Matt's check leads you there.

Or the person who entered with the key and with intention to pass Madeleine through the window was constantly in, hiding in the big wardrobe..and waiting for the accomplice to appear, so he can hand Madeleine to him through the window.
If this was an OC worker, this would mean the worker was absent from his duty 8.30-9 something.. or absent from somewhere..
What the police should ask for is 'who was absent' at that time?

[pathfinder73]

The easiest explanation to cover the door positions:

8.30 door ajar

9 Matt doesn't listen at shutters but enters apartment and moves door to half-open

9.05 Gerry finds door half-open not ajar.

9.25 Matt and Russ leave tapas bar

9.30 Matt opens shutters and window and passes Madeleine to Russ

Kate finds Madeleine gone and window open.

That's the easy explanation to cover the 3 door positions and window being open (2 involved) but I don't believe it.

[jassi]

Or it could all be fiction 

[pathfinder73]

Yes comparing first and second statements it definitely looks that way. door half-open as usual stands out a mile and very incriminating if true!

[jassi]

I've no doubt davel will be along to insist that any/all discrepancies are down to sloppy translation. 

[pathfinder73]

I've no doubt davel will be along to insist that any/all discrepancies are down to sloppy translation. 

From Madeleine book:

"At one point early on, something was read out from my initial statement, given on 4 May. It wasn’t quite accurate and I explained to the officer that the original meaning seemed to have been lost slightly in translation.
To my astonishment, the interpreter became quite angry and suddenly interrupted, ‘What are you saying? That we interpreters can’t do our job? The interpreter will only have translated what you told her!’ I was staggered."

 

[Benice]

Or it could all be fiction 

Ahh yes - it could have been Part 143, Subsection 24b subtitled  ..'Wot to say about the position of the door' in the  ''Cunning Plan''  devised by the McCanns and their friends to pull the wool over the eyes of the PJ.

I'd love someone to explain WHEN and WHERE they all sat down to put this intricate, convoluted plan together - as it seems to me more planning would be required for this 'cover-story'  - than went into the Royal Wedding.


 



 

[pathfinder73]

It's an important oversight in any plan. But the simple answer is that not everyone was in on the plan.

[Wonderfulspam]

Ahh yes - it could have been Part 143, Subsection 24b subtitled  ..'Wot to say about the position of the door' in the  ''Cunning Plan''  devised by the McCanns and their friends to pull the wool over the eyes of the PJ.

I'd love someone to explain WHEN and WHERE they all sat down to put this intricate, convoluted plan together - as it seems to me more planning would be required for this 'cover-story'  - than went into the Royal Wedding.

Why do you permanently insist that any death & concealment scenario has to involve the entire holiday group?
 It doesn't.

[Victoria]

Why do you permanently insist that any death & concealment scenario has to involve the entire holiday group?
 It doesn't.

It doesn't have to involve them all, but it has to have happened right under their noses, and they all have to have either been ignorant of it or pretended to be, and continue to pretend to be. Meanwhile, a small group of self-styled internet detectives who weren't there and know nothing about that night other than what they've read, somehow manage to see something that the people who actually lived through the night in question have missed, and still miss six years later.

[Wonderfulspam]

It doesn't have to involve them all, but it has to have happened right under their noses, and they all have to have either been ignorant of it or pretended to be, and continue to pretend to be. Meanwhile, a small group of self-styled internet detectives who weren't there and know nothing about that night other than what they've read, somehow manage to see something that the people who actually lived through the night in question have missed, and still miss six years alter.

It doesn't have to involve them all, but it has to have happened right under their noses, and they all have to have either been ignorant of it or pretended to be, and continue to pretend to be.

Deception, distraction.