Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?

[pegasus]

Do you know another one ?

There are indications that apartment 5L (which is above 5H) was successfully burgled in April 2007 IMO.

[Redblossom]

Agreed 101%, this child was not taken by a burglar.
What I am suggesting is different: that there WAS a burglar that night, who did NOT take the child.

Being disturbed by a burglar beginning to enter window would trigger (if in a bed rather than a highsided cot) fleeing into another room and (in the unusual case of no adults present) a heightened risk of accident.

BTW there was an attempted burglary in PDL in 2006 where  a burglar entered, was disturbed by a child, and fled empty handed.

But thats assuming so much..that the burglar raised the shutters and also found an open window inside from which he could stick his hands in and use the web pulley to keep the shutters up...and no forensics
And what time is this theory centred on?
What evidence is there that it was a burglar and not a staged opening?


Eta also why does it matter if there was an attempted burglary if your theory is accident caused by running away frm the noise?


On a related matter I find the fact KM said she never opened the windows or shutters all week odd...what with sleeping toddlers and stinky nappies and no fresh air?nor sunlight? Oh well, each to their own

[pegasus]

But thats assuming so much..that the burglar raised the shutters and also found an open window inside from which he could stick his hands in and use the web pulley to keep the shutters up...and no forensics

And what time is this theory centred on?

What evidence is there that it was a burglar and not a staged opening?

Eta also why does it matter if there was an attempted burglary if your theory is accident caused by running away frm the noise?

On a related matter I find the fact KM said she never opened the windows or shutters all week odd...what with sleeping toddlers and stinky nappies and no fresh air?nor sunlight? Oh well, each to their own

1. Yes that is the method. There were various prints on the window and on the outside of the shutter, the majority were unidentifiable. The webbing strap which raises the shutter would not be a suitable material for retaing prints.

2. Between approx 8.30pm and approx 9.55pm.

3. The evidence for staged opening was the POSITIONS on bedroom window of the 5 prints of KM.
In fact the photo taken by forensics showing the position (on edge of sliding frame) of a GNR thumbprint on lounge door was mistakenly used as if it was a KM print on bedroom window. 

4. SIgnificant in many ways just a few examples are:  Explains reason for going into another room. Explains significantly increased risk of accident.  Confirms that KM is an honest witness .

5. Previous days I don't know about, on evening 3 May the sliding window was in the shut position but neither adult remembers pressing the lock button.

[Redblossom]

1. Yes that is the method. There were various prints on the window and on the outside of the shutter, the majority were unidentifiable. The webbing strap which raises the shutter would not be a suitable material for retaing prints. I am not aware there were various prints on the window......Just KMs...as for the shutters three unidentifiable prints were found which is not illogcal to assume they were the tapas groups who testified they tried to raise the shutters from the outside that night

2. Between approx 8.30pm and approx 9.55pm.

3. The evidence for staged opening was the POSITIONS on bedroom window of the 5 prints of KM.
In fact the photo taken by forensics showing the position (on edge of sliding frame) of a GNR thumbprint on lounge door was mistakenly used as if it was a KM print on bedroom window.  Never seen this

4. SIgnificant in many ways just a few examples are:  Explains reason for going into another room. Explains significantly increased risk of accident.  Confirms that KM is an honest witness . Thats all supposition IMO

5. Previous days I don't know about, on evening 3 May the sliding window was in the shut position but neither adult remembers pressing the lock button. KM said she never touched the window or shutters all week, as for neither of them remebering whether they shut or locked windows or doors, well, thats becoming a pattern which is hard to believe just for the fact that when you keave three babies alone you would kind of remember what safety precautions you took

[AnneGuedes]

1. Yes that is the method. There were various prints on the window and on the outside of the shutter, the majority were unidentifiable. The webbing strap which raises the shutter would not be a suitable material for retaing prints.

2. Between approx 8.30pm and approx 9.55pm.

3. The evidence for staged opening was the POSITIONS on bedroom window of the 5 prints of KM.
In fact the photo taken by forensics showing the position (on edge of sliding frame) of a GNR thumbprint on lounge door was mistakenly used as if it was a KM print on bedroom window. 

4. SIgnificant in many ways just a few examples are:  Explains reason for going into another room. Explains significantly increased risk of accident.  Confirms that KM is an honest witness .

5. Previous days I don't know about, on evening 3 May the sliding window was in the shut position but neither adult remembers pressing the lock button.

Where do these data come from ?

[Lace]

But thats assuming so much..that the burglar raised the shutters and also found an open window inside from which he could stick his hands in and use the web pulley to keep the shutters up...and no forensics
And what time is this theory centred on?
What evidence is there that it was a burglar and not a staged opening?


Eta also why does it matter if there was an attempted burglary if your theory is accident caused by running away frm the noise?


On a related matter I find the fact KM said she never opened the windows or shutters all week odd...what with sleeping toddlers and stinky nappies and no fresh air?nor sunlight? Oh well, each to their own

If there was someone working for the OC involved,  they could have made sure the window was open.

[Benice]

Even if there were 2 or 200 burglaries, there is no precedent for a burglar being disturbed by a child and abducting it!  No one has, after beng asked numerous times, been able to provide such "evidence"

Its bloody nonsense IMO!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/05/colo-parolee-charged-with-kidnapping-burglary-in-attempted-abduction-aurora/

Colo. parolee charged with kidnapping, burglary in attempted abduction of Aurora girl
Published November 05, 2013Associated Press

AURORA, COLO. – Prosecutors have filed charges against a man accused of trying to abduct an 8-year-old girl from her bedroom in Aurora, Colo.

Twenty-six-year-old John Stanley Snorsky was charged Tuesday with several counts including kidnapping, burglary and assault.

The attempted abduction happened early in the morning on Oct. 28. According to police, the girl escaped by pinching Snorsky and running away.

Investigators say his DNA was found on the girl's clothing.

Snorsky had been on parole for a burglary conviction. He was arrested the day after the attempted abduction on an unrelated charge and later linked to the kidnapping case.

It's not clear if he has a lawyer.

[Redblossom]

If there was someone working for the OC involved,  they could have made sure the window was open.

What for? If they did that they would have a key to get in, making an attempt to enter through a window pointless!

[Redblossom]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/05/colo-parolee-charged-with-kidnapping-burglary-in-attempted-abduction-aurora/

Colo. parolee charged with kidnapping, burglary in attempted abduction of Aurora girl
Published November 05, 2013Associated Press

AURORA, COLO. – Prosecutors have filed charges against a man accused of trying to abduct an 8-year-old girl from her bedroom in Aurora, Colo.

Twenty-six-year-old John Stanley Snorsky was charged Tuesday with several counts including kidnapping, burglary and assault.

The attempted abduction happened early in the morning on Oct. 28. According to police, the girl escaped by pinching Snorsky and running away.

Investigators say his DNA was found on the girl's clothing.

Snorsky had been on parole for a burglary conviction. He was arrested the day after the attempted abduction on an unrelated charge and later linked to the kidnapping case.

It's not clear if he has a lawyer.

The crime was abduction, burglarly was a by product though another charge,....he broke in...he wasnt there to burgle but to abduct...I give up

[Lace]

What for? If they did that they would have a key to get in, making an attempt to enter through a window pointless!

What if they had to hand their key in when they finished work?

[Benice]

The crime was abduction, burglarly was a by product though another charge,....he broke in...he wasnt there to burgle but to abduct...I give up

Some further info on this burglar/kidnapper:-

QUOTE

AURORA -The man accused of kidnapping an 8-year-old girl and burglarizing a home on Oct. 28 was formally advised of his charges Friday morning.

John Stanley Snorsky, 26, is charged with second-degree kidnapping, first-degree burglary, second-degree burglary, enticement of a child, child abuse and third-degree assault.

His bond was set at $500,000.

Police say Snorsky carried the 8-year-old girl from her bedroom to an alley behind her Aurora home last week, where she screamed and managed to break free.

Snorsky was already in custody on an unrelated charge of false reporting to a pawn shop when he was accused in the attempted kidnapping.

When Snorsky was taken into custody that same night on the unrelated parole violation, police noticed his clothing matched the attempted kidnapping suspect's description.

A search warrant was executed and clothing from Snorsky was taken along with a sample of his DNA.

Results indicated that the DNA found on the girl's clothing matched Snorsky.

Police later received a tip from a woman who claimed to at one point have been Snorsky's foster mother. She says she never reported to police that she had caught him watch child pornography on his computer. She also said he had been texting her occasionally pictures of male genitalia and went by the name "Jonathan."

Police say at the time of the tip, it was not publicly revealed that the man accused of kidnapping the girl told her his name was Jonathan. He also asked the girl for a hug.

"If he could do that to a child ... he can do it to anybody," the girl's grandmother, Beatrice Padilla, told 9NEWS.

Snorsky now faces charges of kidnapping and burglary.

The burglary charges allege that Snorsky staged a burglary at the home of Linda Taylor. He was living as her roommate at the time.

On Sept. 4, Taylor reported the burglary in which $14,000 of cash and more than $50,000 of jewelry was stolen. She alerted Snorsky to the incident and believed she had been robbed through a window in the basement.

In October, Snorsky the affidavit says that he had pawned a large amount of women's jewelry. Police were alerted to this and showed pictures of the items to Taylor.

She confirmed that the jewelry belonged to her.

(KUSA-TV © 2013 Multimedia Holdings Corporation)

[Redblossom]

What if they had to hand their key in when they finished work?

Ok so.... whilst they had use of the key, ie Mrs Cleaner on Wednesday morning, left the window open for the kidnappers the day after to get in...OK that makes sense, not much though

[Estuarine]

The crime was abduction, burglarly was a by product though another charge,....he broke in...he wasnt there to burgle but to abduct...I give up

When Tannerman was the lynchpin none of this mattered because then it was a straightforward abduction. Dashed unsporting of him to have been an apparition. So we now have to have a convoluted tale to replace the previous convoluted tale and keep going til we find one that sticks. I take it on faith a lot on here are parents? "You never believed your kids when they came up with such unlikely tales, and kept modifying them,  to explain how they lost a shoe or ripped their blazer"

[AnneGuedes]

When Tannerman was the lynchpin none of this mattered because then it was a straightforward abduction. Dashed unsporting of him to have been an apparition. So we now have to have a convoluted tale to replace the previous convoluted tale and keep going til we find one that sticks. I take it on faith a lot on here are parents? "You never believed your kids when they came up with such unlikely tales, and kept modifying them,  to explain how they lost a shoe or ripped their blazer"

Exactly !
 

[pegasus]

Need help finding a page in the files (difficult), definitely exists, saw it, now can't find it again.
The page wanted has two tables of mobile calls/txts.
First table is ALL mobile to mobile calls/ txts entirely on PDL masts from approx 9:00pm to approx 9:20pm on 03 May 2007.
Second table is same but covers between approx 9:45pm to 10.15pm on 03 May 2007.
Note these tables are not of T9 calls/txts, they are of ALL mobile to mobile where both parties are on PDL masts.