Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?

[Heriberto Janosch]

Need help finding a page in the files (difficult), definitely exists, saw it, now can't find it again.
The page wanted has two tables of mobile calls/txts.
First table is ALL mobile to mobile calls/ txts entirely on PDL masts from approx 9:00pm to approx 9:20pm on 03 May 2007.
Second table is same but covers between approx 9:45pm to 10.15pm on 03 May 2007.
Note these tables are not of T9 calls/txts, they are of ALL mobile to mobile where both parties are on PDL masts.
 

Hi pegasus, Analysis of the first 11 volumes, appendixes 90 and 91.

By the way, I wrote in another thread:

I do not know if my hypothesis is right.

My hypothesis involves one by then Ocean Club employee, with a previous record of theft (someone called him Heribertoman here, and of course he was not the black dead man Euclides).

I have sent his name to Scotland Yard Operation Grange and Polícia Judiciária Oporto teams in June 2013, along with many details I can not publish yet. I also have sent to both of them, in June 2013, two more things: (a) data of two additional OC employees who may be related to Heribertoman, and (b) data of a fourth OC employee who may know about the burglaries.

Some of the information given in Crimewatch TV program of October 14th. 2013 is directly related to Heribertoman.

I think Madeleine was caught because the burglar felt she may recognize him.

[pegasus]

@Heriberto Thanks, with your help I have found the pages of mobile to mobile traffic.

Re your theory I think the opening method is good and what happened, but then he flees emptyhanded as soon as he realises someone is in the apartment. He would realise this before he climbs in because he makes shutter noise which wakes and reveals presence of occupant, so he flees not taking anyone. IMO.

[Heriberto Janosch]

http://www.jn.pt/Dossies/dossie.aspx?content_id=3647611&dossier=O%20caso%20Maddie%20McCann

Chegou pedido da polícia inglesa para inquirir suspeitos no caso Maddie

A Procuradoria-Geral da República já recebeu a carta rogatória sobre o caso Madeleine McCann. Entre as diligências pedidas pelas autoridades britânicas estão inquirições aos três homens que os detetives consideram suspeitos, por terem feito vários telefonemas junto ao aldeamento turístico da praia da Luz, em Lagos, na noite em que a criança desapareceu.

A carta rogatória vai ser agora remetida ao Tribunal de Portimão e as diligências deverão ser entregues e cumpridas, uma vez mais, pela Polícia Judiciária (PJ).

Este é o segundo pedido de auxílio das autoridades britânicas relacionado com o desaparecimento, ocorrido a 3 de maio de 2007, quando a criança tinha três anos.

Trata-se de um conjunto de diligências que os detetives pedem que sejam feitas em Portugal, no âmbito da investigação que decorre em Inglaterra.

[Heriberto Janosch]

Thanks Hael for the Google translation ...

Request of British police arrived to investigate suspects in Maddie case

The Attorney General's Office has received a letter of request on the Madeleine McCann case. Among the steps taken by the British authorities ordered inquiries are the three men who detectives believe the suspects, for having made several phone calls in the tourist resort of Praia da Luz , Lagos , on the night the child disappeared .

The letter of request will now be forwarded to the Court of Portimão and steps should be completed and delivered once again , by the Judicial Police ( PJ ) .

This is the second request for help from the British authorities related to the disappearance , which occurred on May 3, 2007 , when the child was three years old .

This is a set of steps that detectives ask which are made in Portugal , in the research taking place in England.

[pegasus]

IMO these three people in the phone records will be found to be searchers.
It is pretty obvious that when a child disappears, some peoples mobiles are going to be red hot, because they are out searching, and calling/txting each other "any news, has anyone found her yet?

I already showed from the rogs that the "two men talking loudly at 11pm then walking away" on Crimewatch is very probably 2 searchers of the T7 crossing paths near Luztur, again pretty obvious that T7 people out searching when they cross paths are going to talk loudly given the urgent situation of missing child..

[pegasus]

I would not even be surprised if the 3 people whose mobiles were red hot turn out to be holiday company execs / employees, obviously their mobiles would be red hot after a child disappeared, because they are desparately searching, and you would get a mix of portuguese and UK numbers. Not saying that's the answer, just a theoretical possibility.
The idea that red hot mobiles during a seach for a missing child implies the mobile owners are criminals is simply illogical IMO.

[Redblossom]

Wll said pegasus, unless police have contents of the calls they wouldnt know  if they were talking about  the latest footie match results, gambling wins, eggs on to hurry up to a party or any other normal reason, and yea, madeleine related searches! Perhaps its the t9 calls theyve found!

Perhaps hilda was calling heidi and chatting about their next door neighbours affair or the latest episode of a soap opera!

But it was "reported" the phone calls were made by burglars LOL


Cant keep a straight face in this bunch of total and utter nonsense

[pegasus]

".... after Madeleine disappeared I, I checked the err some of the windows in our apartment and they weren’t locked, we hadn’t, we hadn’t thought of checking them you know ...."
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id254.html at approx 00:15:00

[Brietta]

Wll said pegasus, unless police have contents of the calls they wouldnt know  if they were talking about  the latest footie match results, gambling wins, eggs on to hurry up to a party or any other normal reason, and yea, madeleine related searches! Perhaps its the t9 calls theyve found!

Perhaps hilda was calling heidi and chatting about their next door neighbours affair or the latest episode of a soap opera!

But it was "reported" the phone calls were made by burglars LOL


Cant keep a straight face in this bunch of total and utter nonsense

I would not have a problem with all the people making phone calls in the immediate area under investigation and at the time immediately before and after what could reasonably be supposed the time Madeleine McCann disappeared being investigated.

They could be searchers.
They could be perpetrators.
They could be Uncle Tom Cobbley an' all.
They could be witnesses to an abduction.

Whoever they may be, it is my opinion they should be ruled in or out of the investigation as a matter of urgency, which will allow the PJ and NSY to progress to the next step.

[pegasus]

What I posted above  from DW rog is further confirmation that the specific design of sliding aluminium window fitted in apartments in block 5 do not automatically lock when one slides them shut.

[Mr Gray]

 Take it from a parent and a teacher....instead of a brief and simple explanation [ therefore almost always credible] for why homework had not been handed in, I would get something like

  " Miss, sorry Miss, I got home late because I missed my bus/ had to visit a sick friend/ relative on my way home, then Mum was in late from work and because of that I had to do some shopping for stuff to eat, had to tidy up a bit, then helped Mum cook. Dad got in late cos his car had a problem , then he was in a bad mood because he did not like what we had cooked.
 So then Mum and Dad argued and I couldn't concentrate on my work, Miss and I was shattered Miss because I hadn't stopped for hours....

 reminding me of the over-egging of the pudding done by Kate McCann in her book, describing her entrance and toing and froing on her 10 pm check. Building up the drama...I didn't and don't believe her, either.

So you think being a parent and a teacher gives you a somewhat greater insight into spotting lies......I am afraid you are deluding yourself

[Admin]

What I posted above  from DW rog is further confirmation that the specific design of sliding aluminium window fitted in apartments in block 5 do not automatically lock when one slides them shut.

The children's bedroom window and locking mechanism.

[pegasus]

Thanks Admin.
In the top right photo looking carefully you can see the hole, into which the lockpin will go if you slide the window closed AND then depress the top button. The hole is circular, it has no angled surface, which proves IMO that the window does not autolock when you slide it shut.

That physical feature of the window is illustrated by what I posted from DW rog: later she found some of her apartment windows were closed but not locked. 

IMO recognising that the window does not auto-lock, is the very first (and absolutely essential) small step in examining this case, and I hope SY have taken this basic step of establishing this so important detail.

[John]

Thanks Admin.
In the top right photo looking carefully you can see the hole, into which the lockpin will go if you slide the window closed AND then depress the top button. The hole is circular, it has no angled surface, which proves IMO that the window does not autolock when you slide it shut.

That physical feature of the window is illustrated by what I posted from DW rog: later she found some of her apartment windows were closed but not locked. 

IMO recognising that the window does not auto-lock, is the very first (and absolutely essential) small step in examining this case, and I hope SY have taken this basic step of establishing this so important detail.

Well spotted, I would have thought the window locked automatically but you are right, you have to push the mechanism in to lock it.  Real cheapo windays.

[pegasus]

Well spotted, I would have thought the window locked automatically but you are right, you have to push the mechanism in to lock it.  Real cheapo windays.

If you press the top button before sliding the window closed, the extended metal lockpin hits the edge of the other pane's aluminium frame, as proven by video footage of someone doing exactly that in Mr Amaral's film.