The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .

[south of the river]

was on ITV last night - interviewed various crime experts who study crime and interviews with some high profile cases - Philpots, Matthews etc - all the usual suspects

Anyone watch it ?

[south of the river]

I did find it interesting that he expert who was commenting on the various TV statements by lots of now guilty people did decide to comment that in her opinion the McCann's were 100% innocent

to those that say why were the McCann's included - well it is a massively high profile case that has loads of TV interviews so makes perfect sense to compare them.

Remember most of the examples used were also innocent ( until proved guilty ) at the time of their outpourings

If the expert had any doubt atall then I suppose they would not have included them in the documentary 

[jassi]

I started a thread about the lying game - as I did think it very interesting documentary - But as a newb it is waiting approval ?

anyhoo I did find it interesting that he expert who was commenting on the various TV statements by lots of now guilty people did decide to comment that in her opinion the McCann's were 100% innocent

to those that say why were the McCann's included - well it is a massively high profile case that has loads of TV interviews so makes perfect sense to compare them.

Remember most of the examples used were also innocent ( until proved guilty ) at the time of their outpourings

If the expert had any doubt atall then I suppose they would not have included them in the documentary

Television programmes are seldom as they appear on the screen and its possible that the cases discussed were selected by the Director and experts chosen accordingly to make for an interesting programme.

[Benice]

The TV company that made the programme, ie Shine
http://www.shinegroup.tv/people/elisabeth-murdoch


My only comment is why the Mccanns featured in it at all....

Thanks for the link Red.   Just another conspiracy theory in the making then?  Pathetic IMO.

[Victoria]

Thanks for the link Red.   Just another conspiracy theory in the making then?  Pathetic IMO.

It's so, so desperate, isn't it. Some of the comments that were made about the forensic psychologist on other sites are absolutely disgusting. For daring to voice her professional opinion, she gets insulted, people attempt to trash her good name, and now she's also part of some multi-national conspiracy involving Murdoch!

What utter, utter nonsense.

[south of the river]

It's so, so desperate, isn't it. Some of the comments that were made about the forensic psychologist on other sites are absolutely disgusting. For daring to voice her professional opinion, she gets insulted, people attempt to trash her good name, and now she's also part of some multi-national conspiracy involving Murdoch!

What utter, utter nonsense.

yes I have seen the response on other forums regarding how she dared to voice an opinion and must be a Twit ( at best ) to somehow involved with some Murdoch/ Clarence Mitchell / overall conspiracy that is timed to come out at the exact time of the libel trial etc etc

She is not some anonymous stranger off the net - she is highly qualified and has a paid career in analysing statements

but no she is probably innit as well

[colombosstogey]

yes I have seen the response on other forums regarding how she dared to voice an opinion and must be a Twit ( at best ) to somehow involved with some Murdoch/ Clarence Mitchell / overall conspiracy that is timed to come out at the exact time of the libel trial etc etc

She is not some anonymous stranger off the net - she is highly qualified and has a paid career in analysing statements

but no she is probably innit as well

I dont think that for one minute. The only thing i think is if you already know they are guility then its easy to decide what part of the body language gave them away.

I have done body language I dont have a PHD and I am not so clever either, but I can tell you there are lots of people i have thought are guilty and I was right. Not once have I been wrong. I found myself getting a tad cynical of all these crying and wailing people as it usually turns out they have done something wrong.

I didnt even bother to watch the programme to be honest, and I have no thoughts about it either way.

Some people can cover up lies I think it also depends on what they do in life.

IF you look at Phillpott, and Hazel and Mathews they are not exactly highly intelligent.

I think someone who is used to dealing with death, hard facts of life etc, or even training people they have a certain presence about them and confidence. They can look confident and relaxed.

I can do that. I have taught communication skills and its all about how well you communicate IMHO as to how you can fool people....

CON ARTISTS. There are lots of them about and they can con people so easy, the gullible or not so gullible, Frank Abagnale was one of them very successful too.

People can lie and never get caught out on it. Like I said CONFIDENCE is the key with a certain amount of arrogance.

[Redblossom]

I dont think that for one minute. The only thing i think is if you already know they are guility then its easy to decide what part of the body language gave them away.

I have done body language I dont have a PHD and I am not so clever either, but I can tell you there are lots of people i have thought are guilty and I was right. Not once have I been wrong. I found myself getting a tad cynical of all these crying and wailing people as it usually turns out they have done something wrong.

I didnt even bother to watch the programme to be honest, and I have no thoughts about it either way.

Some people can cover up lies I think it also depends on what they do in life.

IF you look at Phillpott, and Hazel and Mathews they are not exactly highly intelligent.

I think someone who is used to dealing with death, hard facts of life etc, or even training people they have a certain presence about them and confidence. They can look confident and relaxed.

I can do that. I have taught communication skills and its all about how well you communicate IMHO as to how you can fool people....

CON ARTISTS. There are lots of them about and they can con people so easy, the gullible or not so gullible, Frank Abagnale was one of them very successful too.

People can lie and never get caught out on it. Like I said CONFIDENCE is the key with a certain amount of arrogance.

+1

[Benice]

It's so, so desperate, isn't it. Some of the comments that were made about the forensic psychologist on other sites are absolutely disgusting. For daring to voice her professional opinion, she gets insulted, people attempt to trash her good name, and now she's also part of some multi-national conspiracy involving Murdoch!

What utter, utter nonsense.

Par for the course with some people Victoria.  They can't legitimately challenge what Dr Leal said - and so (as in every other instance where they are faced with 'unpalatable'  news from anyone which doesn't point the finger at the McCanns)   - they trash, insult and ridicule the author.   

It's a ridiculous reaction - but they need to reassure themselves that they are right about the McCanns and IMO that's how they go about it.     An exercise in self-delusion on a grand scale IMO - and one which says far more about them than they obviously realise  - as their vile comments are abhorrent to any decent person imo.



 

[Redblossom]

Par for the course with some people Victoria.  They can't legitimately challenge what Dr Leal said - and so (as in every other instance where they are faced with 'unpalatable'  news from anyone which doesn't point the finger at the McCanns)   - they trash, insult and ridicule the author.   

It's a ridiculous reaction - but they need to reassure themselves that they are right about the McCanns and IMO that's how they go about it.     An exercise in self-delusion on a grand scale IMO - and one which says far more about them than they obviously realise  - as their vile comments are abhorrent to any decent person imo.

So why moan and whinge about these people on here? Why dont you go over there and do it? or n twitter or wherever you hang out, or one of the dedicated sights to slag off others......Unless, shock horror, you want  to associate.....Haphazardly....



 >@@(*&)

[jassi]

Par for the course with some people Victoria.  They can't legitimately challenge what Dr Leal said - and so (as in every other instance where they are faced with 'unpalatable'  news from anyone which doesn't point the finger at the McCanns)   - they trash, insult and ridicule the author.   

It's a ridiculous reaction - but they need to reassure themselves that they are right about the McCanns and IMO that's how they go about it.     An exercise in self-delusion on a grand scale IMO - and one which says far more about them than they obviously realise  - as their vile comments are abhorrent to any decent person imo.

You have to be realistic, though. The programme makers would never have been allowed to  broadcast anything that might have been subject to a libel suit, had any of the experts expressed such an opinion.

[Victoria]

You have to be realistic, though. The programme makers would never have been allowed to  broadcast anything that might have been subject to a libel suit, had any of the experts expressed such an opinion.

And quite right, too. Of course, they didn't have to mention the McCanns at all. They CHOSE to, because the McCanns are a good example of innocent people who some idiots mistakenly think show signs of guilt.

[jassi]

And quite right, too. Of course, they didn't have to mention the McCanns at all. They CHOSE to, because the McCanns are a good example of innocent people who some idiots mistakenly think show signs of guilt.

Who knows why they chose the McCanns. Could have been because they are notorious and would be a good draw to the target audience.

[Redblossom]

And quite right, too. Of course, they didn't have to mention the McCanns at all. They CHOSE to, because the McCanns are a good example of innocent people who some idiots mistakenly think show signs of guilt.

A matter of opinion not fact....sigh

[stephen25000]

Par for the course with some people Victoria.  They can't legitimately challenge what Dr Leal said - and so (as in every other instance where they are faced with 'unpalatable'  news from anyone which doesn't point the finger at the McCanns)   - they trash, insult and ridicule the author.   

It's a ridiculous reaction - but they need to reassure themselves that they are right about the McCanns and IMO that's how they go about it.     An exercise in self-delusion on a grand scale IMO - and one which says far more about them than they obviously realise  - as their vile comments are abhorrent to any decent person imo.

She has given her judgement. ONE person..........................

Other forensic psychologists have said different.