Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.

[Carana]

Perhaps because it wasn't in statement form? My point is that you do not know. You are only referring to a statement. It is perfectly reasonable to exchange information with police officers without them asking for official statements.

According to Paiva, in July there was a turning point. Is it possible that after that turning point, information supplied by Mrs Fenn became of more interest to the PJ which led to an official statement request?

There's a thread on this.

As an immediate neighbour, why wasn't she interviewed back in May?

She had even had an intruder a week prior to the disappearance. Shouldn't that have been ringing bells with the police?

[ferryman]

There's a thread on this.

As an immediate neighbour, why wasn't she interviewed back in May?

She had even had an intruder a week prior to the disappearance. Shouldn't that have been ringing bells with the police?

Why not indeed?

Last night the McCanns got a boost when the police case appeared to be undermined by a pensioner who is potentially a key witness.

Pamela Fenn, 81, lives above the apartment where Madeleine disappeared and is reported to have told police she heard Madeleine screaming below.

But yesterday she broke her silence to say it was "absolute rubbish" she had made any such claims to police. Mrs Fenn said: "I didn't even know that family was in there."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-481485/Madeleines-mother-quizzed-Portuguese-police.html#ixzz33Kru1x6Z
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[pegasus]

So 2 days before Mrs Fenn's interview and they already "knew" what she was going to say.

What does that tell you? ...

I just wish she had called the police while the crying was happening, then someone, either at 5A, or by your theory probably at some other apartment which sounded to Mrs F like 5A, would have got a very much needed metaphorical kick on the backside from a shiny GNR boot when they got back from next to the restuarant, and I doubt we would be here discussing the case at all as it would not have happened.

[ferryman]

I just wish she had called the police while the crying was happening, then someone, either at 5A, or by your theory probably at some other apartment which sounded to Mrs F like 5A, would have got a very much needed metaphorical kick on the backside from a shiny GNR boot when they got back from next to the restuarant, and I doubt we would be here discussing the case at all as it would not have happened.

So why do you rule out that a duplicitous snake-in-the-grass like Paivia corrupted Mrs Fenn's statement?

[Brietta]

Why not indeed?

Last night the McCanns got a boost when the police case appeared to be undermined by a pensioner who is potentially a key witness.

Pamela Fenn, 81, lives above the apartment where Madeleine disappeared and is reported to have told police she heard Madeleine screaming below.

But yesterday she broke her silence to say it was "absolute rubbish" she had made any such claims to police. Mrs Fenn said: "I didn't even know that family was in there."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-481485/Madeleines-mother-quizzed-Portuguese-police.html#ixzz33Kru1x6Z
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With thanks to Anna ~ a video link to Mrs Fenn speaking in person and 'backing up' what she is reported as saying by the Mail.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3197.msg152555#msg152555

[ferryman]

With thanks to Anna ~ a video link to Mrs Fenn speaking in person and 'backing up' what she is reported as saying by the Mail.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3197.msg152555#msg152555

My speakers have packed up

But I am equally grateful to Anne.

Remember something else!

The first people to say anything about Madeleine crying were (you guessed it!) Kate and Gerry McCann ...

[pegasus]

Remember something else!
The first people to say anything about Madeleine crying were (you guessed it!) Kate and Gerry McCann ...

I believe you have forgotten one person?
An extremely important young person?
Who said about it before either of the parents did.

[Silkywhiskers]

I seem to recall there was some guff about his book reflecting what was written in the files!

That was guff, precisely illustrating the perils of ex-parte judgements.

Do you ever feel stupid, rejecting every professional attached to this case?

[ferryman]

Do you ever feel stupid, rejecting every professional attached to this case?

Every professional attached to this case?

My admiration for PJ Inspector Dias is almost unbounded ...

[pathfinder73]

Thanks for finding that video Anna.  Not once does she deny saying that she heard crying from downstairs because it is true and as properly recorded in her police statement.  The rubbish is the crap the press were printing as per the norm.

Exactly she said, "I've never spoken to a journalist!" So any newspaper articles about her or quoting her are a load of rubbish. Just to be clear as Daily Mail articles are being used on this thread "I've never spoken to a journalist!"

[pathfinder73]

Media or unknown sources?

And whose screams were they?  That is the question.

Read her statement. Madeleine was crying for her daddy from 10:30 to 11:45 on TUE 1 May.

"22.30 she heard a child cry, and that due the tone of the crying seemed to be a young child and not a baby of two years of age or younger. Apart from the crying that continued for approximately one hour and fifteen minutes, and which got louder and more expressive, the child shouted 'Daddy, Daddy', the witness had no doubt that the noise came from the floor below. At about 23.45, an hour and fifteen minutes after the crying began, she heard the parents arrive, she did not see them, but she heard the patio doors open, she was quite worried as the crying had gone on for more than an hour and had gradually got worse."

"She also said that she never told the McCann's that she had heard their daughter crying previously on 1st May because she thought it would just increase their suffering."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAMELA_FENN.htm

[Brietta]

Exactly she said, "I've never spoken to a journalist!" So any newspaper articles about her or quoting her are a load of rubbish. Just to be clear as Daily Mail articles are being used on this thread "I've never spoken to a journalist!"

Mrs Fenn was reacting to the constant stream of “rubbish” which had been written “in the English papers”.

That is what was reported in the Daily Mail … accurately … as the video clip verifies. 

She had been widely quoted on the internet, in the “English” press and no doubt the Portuguese press, obviously much to her annoyance.  Because as she clearly states, what was being reported was “all rubbish.”

Transcript from 1:18 onwards.

“Honestly, I’ve… I know nothing. I’ve been here for three months… until all this happened I’ve never spoken to a journalist, they’ve written rubbish in the English papers, I haven’t even uttered a word!
I never (sighs)… it’s all rubbish!
Please, please, just forget it”

[slartibartfast]

Mrs Fenn was reacting to the constant stream of “rubbish” which had been written “in the English papers”.

That is what was reported in the Daily Mail … accurately … as the video clip verifies. 

She had been widely quoted on the internet, in the “English” press and no doubt the Portuguese press, obviously much to her annoyance.  Because as she clearly states, what was being reported was “all rubbish.”

Transcript from 1:18 onwards.

“Honestly, I’ve… I know nothing. I’ve been here for three months… until all this happened I’ve never spoken to a journalist, they’ve written rubbish in the English papers, I haven’t even uttered a word!
I never (sighs)… it’s all rubbish!
Please, please, just forget it”

So you agree with PF then?

[Silkywhiskers]

Firstly. Have you even listened to the video? She backs nothing up. In fact, what she actually does is clearly state that the English papers have written rubbish.

Secondly. To aid Ferryman with the speaker problem......

Transcript from 1:18 onwards.

“Honestly, I’ve… I know nothing. I’ve been here for three months… until all this happened I’ve never spoken to a journalist, they’ve written rubbish in the English papers, I haven’t even uttered a word!
I never (sighs)… it’s all rubbish!
Please, please, just forget it”
[/i]

How do you tell if someone is lying?

They insert the words "honestly" or "to be honest".

Which in turn implies that everything else they have just said is a LIE.

 

[pegasus]

In the video, what Mrs F says is that she has not spoken to journalists. The UK press were then fed stories which grossly and deliberately distorted that.