Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.

[stephen25000]

The first people to say anything about Madeleine crying (way before they were declared arguidos) were Kate and Gerry, to the PJ, in police interviews, in an attempt to be helpful.

Look how their honesty was rewarded ...

Rubbish.

You do not know they told the truth, do you ?

[ferryman]

Rubbish.

You do not know they told the truth, do you ?

 The day MADELEINE disappeared, Thursday, 3 May 2007, they all woke up at the same time between 07H30 and 08H00. While they were taking breakfast MADELEINE addressed the mother and asked her ?why didn't you come last night when S*** and I were crying??. That he thought this comment very strange given that MADELEINE had never had this kind of talk [had never spoken like this] and, the night before, they had maintained the same system of checking on the children, not having detected anything abnormal.

Gerry McCann, 10 May.

[pathfinder73]

The day MADELEINE disappeared, Thursday, 3 May 2007, they all woke up at the same time between 07H30 and 08H00. While they were taking breakfast MADELEINE addressed the mother and asked her ?why didn't you come last night when S*** and I were crying??. That he thought this comment very strange given that MADELEINE had never had this kind of talk [had never spoken like this] and, the night before, they had maintained the same system of checking on the children, not having detected anything abnormal.

Gerry McCann, 10 May.

Yes but did this incident actually happen on the 2nd and not the 3rd? To promote an abductor theory it sounds better by changing it to the 3rd. From Fenn's statement the crying episode happened on the 1st so Madeleine would have said this on the morning of the 2nd.

[j.rob]

The first people to say anything about Madeleine crying (way before they were declared arguidos) were Kate and Gerry, to the PJ, in police interviews, in an attempt to be helpful.

Look how their honesty was rewarded ...

Oh dear!!! Oh what tangled webs we weave.........

And what 'rewards' exactly do the McCanns feel entitled to?

What about Madeleine - what do you think she deserves?

[ferryman]

Oh dear!!! Oh what tangled webs we weave.........

And what 'rewards' exactly do the McCanns feel entitled to?

What about Madeleine - what do you think she deserves?

I take it you approve of the McCanns' honesty being manipulated and twisted against them?

And you presumably don't lament (as I do!) that the old cliche just tell the truth and all will be well is laid bare as false by these developments?

[j.rob]

The day MADELEINE disappeared, Thursday, 3 May 2007, they all woke up at the same time between 07H30 and 08H00. While they were taking breakfast MADELEINE addressed the mother and asked her ?why didn't you come last night when S*** and I were crying??. That he thought this comment very strange given that MADELEINE had never had this kind of talk [had never spoken like this] and, the night before, they had maintained the same system of checking on the children, not having detected anything abnormal.

Gerry McCann, 10 May.

Well, I will agree on one thing......it is a very strange thing for a nearly 4 year old to say.......just wondering what evidence there is that Madeleine actually said it? I mean, it is possible that it is one of those myths put about...

[stephen25000]

The day MADELEINE disappeared, Thursday, 3 May 2007, they all woke up at the same time between 07H30 and 08H00. While they were taking breakfast MADELEINE addressed the mother and asked her ?why didn't you come last night when S*** and I were crying??. That he thought this comment very strange given that MADELEINE had never had this kind of talk [had never spoken like this] and, the night before, they had maintained the same system of checking on the children, not having detected anything abnormal.

Gerry McCann, 10 May.

Now tell me ferryman, now what was it when gerry mccann, stated to the effect, that no one out there now knows what are lies  and what are the truths.

Thanks gerry.

[j.rob]

I take it you approve of the McCanns' honesty being manipulated and twisted against them?

And you presumably don't lament (as I do!) that the old cliche just tell the truth and all will be well is laid bare as false by these developments?

My concern is for Madeleine, not her parents. Unfortunately, I fear it is too late to help Madeleine.

Since you mention the truth...yes, in general, the truth will out. It might take some time but one hopes that justice will eventually prevail for those whose voices cannot be heard.

[stephen25000]

Then of course, amongst others, gerry mccanns lies when questioned about a trip to Portugal, and denying repeatedly it was in pursuance of legal action against Amaral.

Nice.

[j.rob]

The arrogance of some people is quite extraordinary. They think that they can operate above the law. And they manage it for a bit. But eventually their lack of integrity.....their shallowness... narcissism........just makes them look unbelievably..........pathetic, really.......

 

[j.rob]

Oh dear!!! Oh what tangled webs we weave.........

And what 'rewards' exactly do the McCanns feel entitled to?

What about Madeleine - what do you think she deserves?

Oh , hang on, I will answer my own question! The reward of playing 'victim'; enlisting public money....I cannot go on because it is all so hideous, nasty and downright ......awful......

Madeleine, RIP.

[ferryman]

 Unfortunately, I fear it is too late to help Madeleine.

That'll be why you are so eager to declare Madeleine "dead".

Should Kerry Needham be doing the same about Ben?

[Redblossom]

Cant believe some of this thread, just some observations, dont want any answers to any questions....



There have been lots of threads on this, all going round in  in circles, nothing anyone can agree on much, but these are the facts

Mrs Fenn made a statement (ignore Ferrymans accusations of it being doctored, this is not bloody Hillsborough, and also his attempts to make out she didnt say half the thngs she did LOL basing his evidence on "snippet out of context alledged quotes from a rag", wont go into his weasel off topic lies about the dna about madeleines parentage)

She was sure the crying was coming from the flat directly below.
There is no evidence she was hard of hearing, indeed, she may have had a hearing aid if one wants to "speculate"

The child could not have been the Paynes as they had a baby monitor! Flat directly to right of Mrs Fenn

Obrien and Tanner lived three doors to the right of Mrs Fenn on the lower ground below her level

Ignoring issues of whether his (Obriens while he was at home that night) ill child was crying for over an hour and he may have fallen asleep as suggested and not heard them or couldnt stop the crying,(and Lace made a point if Obrien was home his ill daughter would be crying daddy daddy as Mrs Fenn said) would that distance really be realistic? Compared to Mrs Fenn being SURE it was from directly below?


Flat to the right of Mrs Fenn and on the l ower level, the Oldfields, next door to Mccanns, well if it was their kids, then that means they werent checked all that time! Same goes for if it was Madeleine obviously

See map on page one of this thread for layouts

Now, how far does anyone  want to stretch, "it was from the flat directly below"  To say perhaps three, four, five or more flats away? Or a few on top and to the side? Acoustics vary that much  in distance? Someone crying at a distance of 30 metres sounds exactly the same as somene cryng a few metres? or someones patio door directly below you sound the same as one 3 flats away?

As for not interviewing Mrs Fenn for months, no ones knows the answer, we can speculate, maybe that reports of crying children were not suspicious in themselves. I also find the suggestion that the PJ after taking Mrs Fenns statement should  have gone and interviewed all the occupants of all the other flats in the block just to ask was it your kid by any chance that was cryng on Tuesday night totally ludicrous!

Links to specific merrygorounds, discussed in other threads too...do read, its enlightening

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2773.msg94187#msg94187

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1589.msg47293#msg47293

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1237.msg34406#msg34406

@j.rob you have made some very interesting and pertinent points, on the thread, thank you

[Redblossom]

Hi Buzz, it was definitely Tuesday night Rusell was not at the Tapas Bar, as he wasnt  there on the quiz night which was Tuesday.....
Forget meanderings in their rogatory statements which went from one day to another, this one is clear
That means Russell didnt get home to find a distressd child as he was there all night and I dont believe he was conked out and didnt hear them crying for over an hour...that leaves the Mccanns...then again, it also points to the Oldfields not doing any checks as they would have heard....and Tanner did no check as Russell was in
Does your head in doesnt it. re deception, oh, most definitely.....without a doubt

[Benice]

The first people to say anything about Madeleine crying (way before they were declared arguidos) were Kate and Gerry, to the PJ, in police interviews, in an attempt to be helpful.

Look how their honesty was rewarded ...

Indeed.  If they were the liars some people think they are - they could have said Madeleine told them she had a dream about a nasty man in her room or something similar.   They were going over every little detail trying to make sense of what had happened and so stuff that would not normally seem important took on a different perspective.   Even though telling the police the truth put them in bad light - they still did it in case it was something to do with the abductor.

And if they had disposed of her body , they definitely would not have said anything that put themselves in a bad light when it would have just as easy to lie as I've mentioned above - and still get the same message across - in fact it would have been an even more convincing message that someone may have been in the apartment the night before.       They were not stupid people.