Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.

[Lyall]

Indeed.  If they were the liars some people think they are - they could have said Madeleine told them she had a dream about a nasty man in her room or something similar.   They were going over every little detail trying to make sense of what had happened and so stuff that would not normally seem important took on a different perspective.   Even though telling the police the truth put them in bad light - they still did it in case it was something to do with the abductor.

And if they had disposed of her body , they definitely would not have said anything that put themselves in a bad light when it would have just as easy to lie as I've mentioned above - and still get the same message across - in fact it would have been an even more convincing message that someone may have been in the apartment the night before.       They were not stupid people. 

Some confused thinking there - your 2nd paragraph sort of negates your first.

[Benice]

Who said it was two days later?

According to the files Mrs Fenn heard a child crying on the 1st May.  Madeleine asked her parents why they didn't come when she and Sean cried on the 3rd May.   

[Lyall]

According to the files Mrs Fenn heard a child crying on the 1st May.  Madeleine asked her parents why they didn't come when she and Sean cried on the 3rd May.

And what if she actually said it on the 2nd?

[slartibartfast]

Indeed.  If they were the liars some people think they are - they could have said Madeleine told them she had a dream about a nasty man in her room or something similar.   

...and then left her alone the next night... 8-)(--)

[j.rob]

Oh dear, oh dear........

...oh  dear.....

Now, lets talk about people who lie.....

[Benice]

And what if she actually said it on the 2nd?

If she said it on the 2nd Kate would have mentioned it during their evening meal on the 2nd.   

[j.rob]

Indeed.  If they were the liars some people think they are - they could have said Madeleine told them she had a dream about a nasty man in her room or something similar.   They were going over every little detail trying to make sense of what had happened and so stuff that would not normally seem important took on a different perspective.   Even though telling the police the truth put them in bad light - they still did it in case it was something to do with the abductor.

And if they had disposed of her body , they definitely would not have said anything that put themselves in a bad light when it would have just as easy to lie as I've mentioned above - and still get the same message across - in fact it would have been an even more convincing message that someone may have been in the apartment the night before.       They were not stupid people. 

 

Oh , interesting.....

[Benice]

Some confused thinking there - your 2nd paragraph sort of negates your first.

I'm not sure how Lyall.  Can you elucidate?

[Lyall]

If she said it on the 2nd Kate would have mentioned it during their evening meal on the 2nd.

The only way you know she did mention it during the meal is the rogatory interviews?

[Redblossom]

If she said it on the 2nd Kate would have mentioned it during their evening meal on the 2nd.

Take a look at your post 37 here... Who are you accusing of making it up? Re the 2nd crying



http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3194.msg120069#msg120069

Not a follow on on the discussion but reminded me of it

[Lyall]

I'm not sure how Lyall.  Can you elucidate?

No I can't because I'm as confused as you about why they mentioned it to the police.

[Benice]

So which person lied about the 1st May? Someone has to have lied. It's either Mrs Fenn who corroborates her story with her friend or one of the parents. Who lied?

Why does anyone have to lie?     Mrs. Fenn said she heard a child crying on the 1st May.  No-one claimed anything happened on the 2nd May - and on the 3rd May Madeleine asked her parents why they didn't come when she and Sean cried.    On the evening of the 3rd May Kate mentioned what Madeleine had said to her that morning to Fiona(?) during dinner.

Just because that doesn't fit in with some people's preferred 'dates' doesn't make it untrue.

If Madeleine and Sean did cry on the 2nd - then it couldn't have been for long because Rachael Oldfield was next door all evening and would have heard them.   

[pathfinder73]

Why does anyone have to lie?     Mrs. Fenn said she heard a child crying on the 1st May.  No-one claimed anything happened on the 2nd May - and on the 3rd May Madeleine asked her parents why they didn't come when she and Sean cried.    On the evening of the 3rd May Kate mentioned what Madeleine had said to her that morning to Fiona(?) during dinner.

Just because that doesn't fit in with some people's preferred 'dates' doesn't make it untrue.

If Madeleine and Sean did cry on the 2nd - then it couldn't have been for long because Rachael Oldfield was next door all evening and would have heard them.   

Yes which makes it more than likely that Madeleine said this on the morning of the 2nd. Why did Kate mention the crying episode on the night of the 3rd at the tapas? Why did she also mention being concerned about the unlocked patio door that night as well as it had been unlocked on previous nights. Things the make you go hmmm  >@@(*&)

[Redblossom]

.    On the evening of the 3rd May Kate mentioned what Madeleine had said to her that morning to Fiona(?) during dinner.

Why did she do that? oh and btw it wasnt only to Fiona,  it was to Rachel and Jane too.....if she said that that comment by Madeleine would  " never have crossed her mind again" if she hadnt been abducted.....???? But it did Benice, so... ???? Answer that one

from 2.10

But you need to listen from abut a minute in

[Benice]

Take a look at your post 37 here... Who are you accusing of making it up? Re the 2nd crying



http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3194.msg120069#msg120069

Not a follow on on the discussion but reminded me of it

You've lost me Red.   I haven't accused anyone of making anything up.