Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.

[Lyall]

Why did she do that? oh and btw it wasnt only to Fiona,  it was to Rachel and Jane too.....if she said that that comment by Madeleine would  " never have crossed her mind again" if she hadnt been abducted.....???? But it did Benice, so... ???? Answer that one

from 2.10

But you need to listen from abut a minute in

Now you've got Gerry gulping again 8)-)))

[Redblossom]

You've lost me Red.   I haven't accused anyone of making anything up.   

You said  rachel being next door on may 2nd (the night kate says madeleine said she and sean were crying) would  have heard two child crying....so if she didnt was madeleine or kate lyng....which was your suggestion...oh never mind though

[Lyall]

I think Benice has legged it Red

The question was too tricky!

[pathfinder73]

Why did she do that? oh and btw it wasnt only to Fiona,  it was to Rachel and Jane too.....if she said that that comment by Madeleine would  " never have crossed her mind again" if she hadnt been abducted.....???? But it did Benice, so... ???? Answer that one

from 2.10

But you need to listen from abut a minute in

That's an excellent point Red. "It wouldn't have passed through my head again" - but it did as she said it at the tapas bar on the 3rd. All these important things are said just before Madeleine is reported to be missing. Nobody can ignore this and the many other contradictions.

Rachael would've heard Madeleine crying if it was on the 2nd being next door. Fenn was correct that it was on the 1st that the crying incident happened.

[Redblossom]

Now you've got Gerry gulping again

Wahay LOL nothing to do wih me!

Its Sandra asking uncomfortable questions

And at a time before the police files were released and they had no idea what was in them too.....so gerry gulps for kate ok. Night night

[Redblossom]

That's an excellent point Red. "It wouldn't have passed through my head again" - but it did as she said it at the tapas bar on the 3rd. All these important things are said just before Madeleine is reported to be missing. Nobody can ignore this and the many other contradictions.

Rachael would've heard Madeleine crying if it was on the 2nd being next door. Fenn was correct that it was on the 1st that the crying incident happened.

Thats a good point pathfinder......

[Benice]

You said  rachel being next door on may 2nd (the night kate says madeleine said she and sean were crying) would  have heard two child crying....so if she didnt was madeleine or kate lyng....which was your suggestion...oh never mind though

I didn't say anyone was lying.   No-body knows for sure what Madeleine was talking about - because she moved off as soon as she'd said it and was totally unconcerned.   

I repeat if Madeleine - or Madeleine and Sean had cried the night before, then it couldn't have been for long because Rachael would have heard them.   

So maybe they did cry for a few minutes.  Or maybe they didn't.  Or maybe Madeleine was talking about a completely different time, or maybe she dreamed it.   No-body can say for sure because they never got to the bottom of it.

It has nothing to do with anyone lying.

[Redblossom]

I didn't say anyone was lying.   No-body knows for sure what Madeleine was talking about - because she moved off as soon as she'd said it and was totally unconcerned.   

I repeat if Madeleine - or Madeleine and Sean had cried the night before, then it couldn't have been for long because Rachael would have heard them.   

So maybe they did cry for a few minutes.  Or maybe they didn't.  Or maybe Madeleine was talking about a completely different time, or maybe she dreamed it.   No-body can say for sure because they never got to the bottom of it.

It has nothing to do with anyone lying.

I agree she dreamed it, probably what it all was

[Benice]

Thats a good point pathfinder......

IMO Kate was saying that if Madeleine had not been abducted on the 3rd May if would not have come into her mind again after that date - and why would it?

Picking over every syllable of every word the McCanns ever uttered is unfair IMO.   Conversations bear no resemblance to the written word.   But their conversations are treated and criticised as it they ARE the written word.

[Lyall]

IMO Kate was saying that if Madeleine had not been abducted on the 3rd May if would not have come into her mind again after that date - and why would it?

Picking over every syllable of every word the McCanns ever uttered is unfair IMO.   Conversations bear no resemblance to the written word.   But their conversations are treated and criticised as it they ARE the written word.

But according to the rogatory interviews she did mention it before the disappearance was discovered during the meal >@@(*&)

[Redblossom]

IMO Kate was saying that if Madeleine had not been abducted on the 3rd May if would not have come into her mind again after that date - and why would it?

Picking over every syllable of every word the McCanns ever uttered is unfair IMO.   Conversations bear no resemblance to the written word.   But their conversations are treated and criticised as it they ARE the written word.

Stop spinning

She definitely said if madeleine had not been abducted, that thought wouldnt have crossed her mind, it was mentiioned IE  BEFORE she was abducted Benice, ie early on in dinner May 3rdM ie BEFORE not AFTER. Jesus.see ya

[Sherlock Holmes]

IMO Kate was saying that if Madeleine had not been abducted on the 3rd May if would not have come into her mind again after that date - and why would it?

Picking over every syllable of every word the McCanns ever uttered is unfair IMO.   Conversations bear no resemblance to the written word.   But their conversations are treated and criticised as it they ARE the written word.

This makes perfect sense to me. Kate remembered the conversation with Madeleine because it took place during the last few hours they spent in each others' company, and because she was under scrutiny in police and other interviews. She would have been going through all the events of the holiday in her mind and trying to make some kind of sense of them.

There would have been much less reason ever to recall that conversation otherwise.

[Benice]

But according to the rogatory interviews she did mention it before the disappearance was discovered during the meal >@@(*&)

Read my post again.  I said she would not have thought of it again after the day that Madeleine was abducted.  She spoke of it during dinner before Madeleine was abducted.

Madeleine spoke to her on the morning of the 3rd. Kate mentioned it during dinner that evening.    If she had not been abducted later that night then they would just have continued with their holiday and KM would not have given it another thought - because she would have had no reason to.      It was Madeleine's abduction which gave her the reason to go back over everything that had happened on the 3rd which included what Madeleine had said on that morning.

[icabodcrane]

This makes perfect sense to me. Kate remembered the conversation with Madeleine because it took place during the last few hours they spent in each others' company, and because she was under scrutiny in police and other interviews. She would have been going through all the events of the holiday in her mind and trying to make some kind of sense of them.

There would have been much less reason ever to recall that conversation otherwise.

It would  'make perfect sense'  if  Kate remembered that conversation she claims to have had  with Madeleine because she was  'under scrutiny'  in police and other interviews,, and she was going through all events of the holiday in her mind and trying to make some kind of sense of them

That's not what happened though

She sat down at the table and almost immediately related that conversation with her friends

While she was doing so,  according to her version of events,  Madeleine was safely tucked up in bed

...  No duress  ...  no stress  ...  no scrutiny   ...  no reason to be going through the event in her mind

She brought up the subject voluntarily and without  prompting    ...  the subject she claims would never have  entered her head at all if Madeleine had not been  'abducted' 

[Lyall]

Read my post again.  I said she would not have thought of it again after the day that Madeleine was abducted.  She spoke of it during dinner before Madeleine was abducted.

Madeleine spoke to her on the morning of the 3rd. Kate mentioned it during dinner that evening.    If she had not been abducted later that night then they would just have continued with their holiday and KM would not have given it another thought - because she would have had no reason to.      It was Madeleine's abduction which gave her the reason to go back over everything that had happened on the 3rd which included what Madeleine had said on that morning.

"If what happened hadn't happened that comment would never have passed through my head again" - K McCann's comment in the video Red posted on the previous page.

But it did because she mentioned it during the meal (according to the rogatory interviews). Why?