Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.

[AnneGuedes]

Some people do, others don't.

What would be the proportion among 9 persons of those who do ?

[Redblossom]

Some people do, others don't.

I tend to thnk if your child went missing you would remember everything! and if you didnt you would rack your brain till you did, not a matter of some people do some dont......

[Carana]

I tend to thnk if your child went missing you would remember everything! and if you didnt you would rack your brain till you did, not a matter of some people do some dont......

My impression is that Kate and Gerry did. I thought that the issue raised by some posters that the friends should have had an equally acute recall of mundane details of what had been an uneventful holiday up until then.

[jassi]

My impression is that Kate and Gerry did. I thought that the issue raised by some posters that the friends should have had an equally acute recall of mundane details of what had been an uneventful holiday up until then.

Given that these were generally intelligent people, trained in observation ( medical skills), that seems a reasonable assumption.

[Redblossom]

My impression is that Kate and Gerry did. I thought that the issue raised by some posters that the friends should have had an equally acute recall of mundane details of what had been an uneventful holiday up until then.

Oh I see, well apart from the remembering wrongly which door he entered the apartment by (GM) then fair enough, though it wasnt just remembering mundane details, half the time they couldnt remember which day it was that anything much happened and when they did they were wrong as well.....and not about an early day but THE day and afternoon/early evening

[j.rob]

In my opinion the night of 1st May is crucial to this enquiry. Quite a lot was going on that night. Escalating crying came from the apartment. Was Kate in the apartment for some of this time?

What was going on in the apartment that night? Were there any accurate reports of Madeleine having been seen after that evening? This should be reasonably easy to verify from staff at the club or other witnesses.

A child, thought to be in the McCann'a apartment, was crying out in distress for over an hour that evening. This has not been adequately accounted for.

In her book, Kate downplays the events of that evening, saying only two minor aspects stand out as differing from the norm. One was that Russell wasn't there. The other was that Madeleine came into their room complaining that Amelie was crying and and had woken her up. 'Gerry checked on Amelie, who settled quickly, and we let Madeleine jump into bed with us'.

We are then told that Wednesday 2 May was 'our last completely happy day. Our last, to date, as a family of five.'

[Redblossom]

But madeleine was fine and reckoned for by nannies on the third.....I dont support theories that something  happned to her days before

[jassi]

But madeleine was fine and reckoned for by nannies on the third.....I dont support theories that something  happned to her days before

Unless it was something that didn't manifest itself until the 3rd.

[pathfinder73]

But madeleine was fine and reckoned for by nannies on the third.....I dont support theories that something  happned to her days before

Me neither but that Chaplins lead should be investigated as it came from Fenn's hairdresser. Phone calls just before 10.30 possibly in 5A on her last check and then she leaves to fetch Gerry away from the tapas bar if she thought he was flirting with that young woman. Chaplins probably was investigated but there's nothing in the files?

[Redblossom]

Unless it was something that didn't manifest itself until the 3rd.

Maybe

[Redblossom]

Me neither but that Chaplins lead should be investigated as it came from Fenn's hairdresser. Phone calls just before 10.30 possibly in 5A on her last check and then she leaves to fetch Gerry away from the tapas bar if she thought he was flirting with that young woman. Chaplins probably was investigated but there's nothing in the files?

Doesnt mean Mrs Fenn  said it...hairdressers gossip to be investigated? I dont think so lol....and anyway what if they were at chaplins, whats the big deal...well apart from them being miles away from the kids

[pathfinder73]

Doesnt mean Mrs Fenn  said it...hairdressers gossip to be investigated? I dont think so lol....and anyway what if they were at chaplins, whats the big deal...well apart from them being miles away from the kids

No it doesn't mean she said it but it's a lead worth pursuing. It would explain why Madeleine was crying for that long without any checks and also contradict their story. They are meant to be at the tapas bar and said it was impossible for Madeleine to be crying for that long as they were back at the apartment earlier than that time. I don't think they got back to the apartment until 11.45 so where were they? At the tapas bar or somewhere else?

[Redblossom]

No it doesn't mean she said it but it's a lead worth pursuing. It would explain why Madeleine was crying for that long without any checks and also contradict their story. They are meant to be at the tapas bar and said it was impossible for Madeleine to be crying for that long as they were back at the apartment earlier than that time. I don't think they got back to the apartment until 11.45 so where were they? At the tapas bar or somewhere else?

Yes it  would mean they lied but thats it

[Carana]

Me neither but that Chaplins lead should be investigated as it came from Fenn's hairdresser. Phone calls just before 10.30 possibly in 5A on her last check and then she leaves to fetch Gerry away from the tapas bar if she thought he was flirting with that young woman. Chaplins probably was investigated but there's nothing in the files?

A bit late.
And no, I haven't found anything in the files to back up that bit of village gossip.

[pathfinder73]

Yes it  would mean they lied but thats it

Worse that that - guilty of neglect and very bad parenting if they were found to be 800 metres away leaving 3 children in an unlocked apartment. You would definitely want to keep that secret at all costs.