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AnneGuedes

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Re: Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.
« Reply #300 on: January 19, 2014, 09:25:18 PM »
Not true.  Read my posts again.   I have used the word 'belief' - you have used the word 'fact'.

Quote from DCI Redwood

''We have conducted a forensic analysis of the timelines and there is clearly opportunity there for Madeleine McCann to have been removed from that apartment alive''
End quote.

DCI Redwood has also said that although they believe Madeleine was abducted, they do not know whether she is still alive or not as a result of that abduction.

The Crimewatch programme was all about 'abduction'. 

Please provide your evidence that SY do NOT believe an abduction took place.
I didn't say that you used the word "fact', Benice, I know your tricks ! You insinuate that it's a fact, since DCI Redwood said it. Now your extending the belief from RW to SY !
Bravo !
How can we debate seriously, Benice, on beliefs instead of facts ?
Are you interested in debating  or will you never change your conviction, based on beliefs ?

No belief can be proved, that is the definition of a belief.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.
« Reply #301 on: January 19, 2014, 09:44:37 PM »
No I can't Anne, but common sense dictates that interviewing the McCanns and their friends in person, face to face, would be the first thing the policeman in charge of the case and other senior members of the team would want to do.     Can you think of any reason why he would want to avoid doing that?  What benefit to the case would there be in NOT personally interviewing people who you need to satisfy yourself are credible witnesses?   I'm also sure SY will have interviewed the FLO's and the trauma counsellors as well  - and for the same reason. 
I agree with you, Benice, that it was the first thing SY was expected to do.
Seizing the case where the AG report had left it.
But I don't think they did. I think that if they had done this, DCI Redwood had affirmed "the group was re-interviewed and we can say that they played no part in Madeleine's abduction". Or, better, "in Madeleine's disappearance".
The public didn't need more. The McCann had played no part, fine. Let's clear our minds.
I know what you'll object.
You'll say that SCI RW couldn't be as affirmative as that, because he has no authority on the case, he then had to be vague, allowing people like you, though, to read between lines. That's true. But do you think the British public would remember that ?

Offline Benice

Re: Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.
« Reply #302 on: January 19, 2014, 10:20:06 PM »
I didn't say that you used the word "fact', Benice, I know your tricks ! You insinuate that it's a fact, since DCI Redwood said it. Now your extending the belief from RW to SY !
Bravo !
How can we debate seriously, Benice, on beliefs instead of facts ?
Are you interested in debating  or will you never change your conviction, based on beliefs ?

No belief can be proved, that is the definition of a belief.

I do not do 'tricks'.   Please stop being so rude. 

When you can provide evidence that DCI Redwood/ SY do NOT believe an abduction took place I will refer to Madeleine's disappearance as a 'disappearance'.      Until then as far as I am concerned Madeleine was abducted and the FACT that it has been publically stated that neither the McCanns nor their friends are either suspects or persons of interest in this case,  further confirms to me that it is the crime of abduction which is being investigated by SY.

Please provide your evidence that SY do NOT believe an abduction took place.
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

ferryman

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Re: Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.
« Reply #303 on: January 19, 2014, 10:28:33 PM »
I do not do 'tricks'.   Please stop being so rude. 

When you can provide evidence that DCI Redwood/ SY do NOT believe an abduction took place I will refer to Madeleine's disappearance as a 'disappearance'.      Until then as far as I am concerned Madeleine was abducted and the FACT that it has been publically stated that neither the McCanns nor their friends are either suspects or persons of interest in this case,  further confirms to me that it is the crime of abduction which is being investigated by SY.

Please provide your evidence that SY do NOT believe an abduction took place.

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood said he believed she [Madeleine] was abducted by a stranger, adding that there were 195 "investigative opportunities".

Redwood said he "genuinely" believed Madeleine could be alive, though the team is following an equal line of inquiry that she might now be dead.


http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/apr/25/madeleine-mccann-case-reopen-call
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Offline Benice

Re: Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.
« Reply #304 on: January 19, 2014, 10:34:44 PM »
I agree with you, Benice, that it was the first thing SY was expected to do.
Seizing the case where the AG report had left it.
But I don't think they did. I think that if they had done this, DCI Redwood had affirmed "the group was re-interviewed and we can say that they played no part in Madeleine's abduction". Or, better, "in Madeleine's disappearance".
The public didn't need more. The McCann had played no part, fine. Let's clear our minds.
I know what you'll object.
You'll say that SCI RW couldn't be as affirmative as that, because he has no authority on the case, he then had to be vague, allowing people like you, though, to read between lines. That's true. But do you think the British public would remember that ?

Vague??   DCI Redwoods statements are as clear and unambiguous as they could possibly be.   They could not BE more straightforward.    They are the complete opposite of vague.

Please produce your evidence that SY do NOT believe an abduction took place.







The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

AnneGuedes

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Re: Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.
« Reply #305 on: January 19, 2014, 10:39:12 PM »
I do not do 'tricks'.   Please stop being so rude. 

When you can provide evidence that DCI Redwood/ SY do NOT believe an abduction took place I will refer to Madeleine's disappearance as a 'disappearance'.      Until then as far as I am concerned Madeleine was abducted and the FACT that it has been publically stated that neither the McCanns nor their friends are either suspects or persons of interest in this case,  further confirms to me that it is the crime of abduction which is being investigated by SY.

Please provide your evidence that SY do NOT believe an abduction took place.
"I'm sorry" will be my last word. I didn't intend to be rude.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.
« Reply #306 on: January 19, 2014, 10:53:18 PM »
Vague??   DCI Redwoods statements are as clear and unambiguous as they could possibly be.   They could not BE more straightforward.    They are the complete opposite of vague.

Please produce your evidence that SY do NOT believe an abduction took place.
You find it clear, I find it vague, it's your right and it's my right.
Since DCI RW never said he interviewed the group, it's just speculation from your part. It's common sense, therefore he did it !  ?{)(**
I've already answered, Benice, as far as beliefs and not facts are mentioned, no evidence is possible. You can't provide evidence God exists and I can't provide evidence he doesn't. You just believe he exists and I believe he doesn't.
Has DCI Redwood only read the AG report ? Do you think he did ? Because if he had, his "belief" should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Lyall

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Re: Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.
« Reply #307 on: January 19, 2014, 11:01:56 PM »
Vague??   DCI Redwoods statements are as clear and unambiguous as they could possibly be.   They could not BE more straightforward.    They are the complete opposite of vague.

Please produce your evidence that SY do NOT believe an abduction took place.

They may well believe it (though it has never been stated officially i.e. in writing) but they need evidence.

Lyall

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Re: Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.
« Reply #308 on: January 19, 2014, 11:23:35 PM »
Vague??   DCI Redwoods statements are as clear and unambiguous as they could possibly be.   They could not BE more straightforward.    They are the complete opposite of vague.

Please produce your evidence that SY do NOT believe an abduction took place.

Of course his statements are clear and unambiguous when he's appearing on TV. That's because what he says to a TV reporter matters only to TV (and to the papers). He knows he can say anything to them: it's not binding in any way; it's not official.

It's totally different when words have to be put in writing in reports etc.: then it's final, it's history.

Offline pegasus

Re: Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.
« Reply #309 on: January 20, 2014, 12:41:55 AM »
Daily Mail 31st August 2007
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Madeleine: Top policeman insists McCanns are 'victims not suspects'

Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa confirmed today that Gerry and Kate McCann are not under suspicion for their daughter's vanishing on 3 May and described them as "victims".
"The McCanns are not suspects. They are victims and witnesses," he said.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.
« Reply #310 on: January 20, 2014, 12:57:43 AM »
Yes Gerry "Renowned Dog Expert" McCann and Kate "Squeaky Clean Cuddle Cat" McCann are victims not suspects according to the police 8)-)))
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.
« Reply #311 on: January 20, 2014, 01:46:29 AM »
It would be easy for SY to ask CT on which date aunt heard crying.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.
« Reply #312 on: January 20, 2014, 10:35:15 AM »
It would be easy for SY to ask CT on which date aunt heard crying.
Tell them !  @)(++(*

AnneGuedes

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Re: Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.
« Reply #313 on: January 20, 2014, 10:48:10 AM »
Does the investigation end or do the politics end to enable them to shift the focus onto the McCann's?
The investigation will have to end one day, up to the end of this year perhaps. A shifting of the focus doesn't sound plausible, it would admit that the work wasn't done in the proper order (i.e starting at the point clearly indicated in the AG report), putting the PM and SY in a delicate position.

icabodcrane

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Re: Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.
« Reply #314 on: May 14, 2014, 05:01:49 AM »
In her book Kate discredits Mrs Fenn,  the upstairs  neighbour

For some reason Kate completely ignores   ( in her book )   the very important point  that Mrs Fenn  said Madeleine   was crying for an hour and a quarter  one night ...  a claim that brought into question the  'checking regime'

Instead,  Kate  ( in her book  ) chooses to mock Mrs Fenn's  'plummy accent' and remarks upon her  inappropraite  response on being told  that Madeleine had been 'abducted'

I can't help but draw a comparison between  Kate's scathing dismissal of Mrs  Fenn and her mocking dismissal of the priest

It's as though anyone who poses any  'problem'  is automatically under attack

That's how it's appearing to me anyway
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