Was Gonçalo Amaral the author of his own demise with his off-the-record comment?

[Benice]

All you can ever hope to get from a torture victim is what you want to hear.  It can never be trusted.  So you have to wonder about the motives of people who do this.
No Case in particular.

Exactly.   They tell the suspect what to say and then torture them until they say it.  Whether it's the truth or not is immaterial.    Case solved and without having to do any irksome policework  - and it makes the crime detection figures look good too.   Obscene 'criminals in uniform' - whichever Police Force they infest.  IMO.

[Eleanor]

Is that your get out clause to avoid libel, by use of the word 'allegedly' ?

So you can't object if other people use the same term on possible actions of the Mccanns.

Can you ?

Amaral has been charged with this offence.  The McCanns have never been charged with anything.

[stephen25000]

Amaral has been charged with this offence.  The McCanns have never been charged with anything.

Has he bee charged directly with torture himself ?

[Eleanor]

Has he bee charged directly with torture himself ?

On this occasion, Yes.  He is an arguido and awaiting trial.  Someone tried to get it thrown out, but it has been reinstated.

And, No, I am not going to crawl through the blogosphere looking for a link.  If you don't like it then report me.  I don't make up lies for fun.  There is no purpose in that.

[stephen25000]

On this occasion, Yes.  He is an arguido and awaiting trial.  Someone tried to get it thrown out, but it has been reinstated.

And, No, I am not going to crawl through the blogosphere looking for a link.  If you don't like it then report me.  I don't make up lies for fun.  There is no purpose in that.

Without a link it is therefore irrelevant.

A 'trial' need I remind you, does not mean guilt.

It is your and some other mccann supporters hatred/loathing of Amaral that fuels your comments, as does your support of your cousin.

[Benice]

On this occasion, Yes.  He is an arguido and awaiting trial.  Someone tried to get it thrown out, but it has been reinstated.

And, No, I am not going to crawl through the blogosphere looking for a link.  If you don't like it then report me.  I don't make up lies for fun.  There is no purpose in that.

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http://www.publico.pt/sociedade/noticia/mp-acusa-exinspector-da-pj-goncalo-amaral-de-tortura-a-leandro-silva-1389690

MP accuses former PJ inspector Gonçalo Amaral torture Leandro Silva

The Public Ministry (MP) accused former Inspector of Judicial Police Gonçalo Amaral assault Leandro Silva, companion Leonor Cipriano, convicted of murder and concealment of a body of her daughter Joana Cipriano, in 2004, in the Algarve.

According to documents from the MP, that the agency Lusa had access, Gonçalo Amaral is accused of a crime of torture in co-authorship. The indictment states that on 13 October 2004 at the premises of the Judicial Police (PJ) in Portimao, the former inspector grabbed the neck of Leandro Silva and struck him two blows in the abdomen and two slaps in the face while asking you to indicate where the child was (Joan). As a direct result of the attacks, according to the MP, Leandro suffered several injuries, including "the rib cage injury" that kept him from work for five days. In May, the Court of Faro Gonçalo Amaral sentenced to a year in prison on probation for making false allegations in the case of attacks on Leonor Cipriano.

Was established as a fact that Leonor Cipriano was assaulted by members of the PJ Judicial unidentified fell on the stairs and not, as had been hypothesized. However, the court failed to determine which were the perpetrators of the attacks. This case dates back to 2004 and is related to the so-called "Joana case", which refers to the disappearance, on 12 September of the same year, a girl eight years the village of Figueira, Portimão. Accusations prosecutors against five inspectors and former inspectors Judicial emerged following the interrogation PJ in Faro in 2004, when Leonor has appeared with lesions on the face and body in the Establishment Odemira Prison, where he was in custody. Joana's mother and uncle João Cipriano are condemned by the Supreme Court to 16 years in prison each, for the crimes of murder and concealment of a body of the child.

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[stephen25000]

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http://www.publico.pt/sociedade/noticia/mp-acusa-exinspector-da-pj-goncalo-amaral-de-tortura-a-leandro-silva-1389690

MP accuses former PJ inspector Gonçalo Amaral torture Leandro Silva

The Public Ministry (MP) accused former Inspector of Judicial Police Gonçalo Amaral assault Leandro Silva, companion Leonor Cipriano, convicted of murder and concealment of a body of her daughter Joana Cipriano, in 2004, in the Algarve.

According to documents from the MP, that the agency Lusa had access, Gonçalo Amaral is accused of a crime of torture in co-authorship. The indictment states that on 13 October 2004 at the premises of the Judicial Police (PJ) in Portimao, the former inspector grabbed the neck of Leandro Silva and struck him two blows in the abdomen and two slaps in the face while asking you to indicate where the child was (Joan). As a direct result of the attacks, according to the MP, Leandro suffered several injuries, including "the rib cage injury" that kept him from work for five days. In May, the Court of Faro Gonçalo Amaral sentenced to a year in prison on probation for making false allegations in the case of attacks on Leonor Cipriano.

Was established as a fact that Leonor Cipriano was assaulted by members of the PJ Judicial unidentified fell on the stairs and not, as had been hypothesized. However, the court failed to determine which were the perpetrators of the attacks. This case dates back to 2004 and is related to the so-called "Joana case", which refers to the disappearance, on 12 September of the same year, a girl eight years the village of Figueira, Portimão. Accusations prosecutors against five inspectors and former inspectors Judicial emerged following the interrogation PJ in Faro in 2004, when Leonor has appeared with lesions on the face and body in the Establishment Odemira Prison, where he was in custody. Joana's mother and uncle João Cipriano are condemned by the Supreme Court to 16 years in prison each, for the crimes of murder and concealment of a body of the child.

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i.e. an allegation which has not proceeded any further.

So why is that ?

Meanwhile we are dealing with, in the case of the Cipriano's with two convicted criminals serving sentences, and who have lied.

[Eleanor]

Without a link it is therefore irrelevant.

A 'trial' need I remind you, does not mean guilt.

It is your and some other mccann supporters hatred/loathing of Amaral that fuels your comments, as does your support of your cousin.

I do not hate or loath Goncalo Amaral.  But I do despise him.

I am related to Clarence Mitchell merely by virtue of the name Mitchell.  All Mitchells are related.

[Eleanor]

Thank you, Benice.

What does "Indicted" mean, I wonder?

[Benice]

i.e. an allegation which has not proceeded any further.

So why is that ?

How would I know?   Although it seems taking years to actually get cases into court is not unknown in Portugal.

[Benice]

Thank you, Benice.

What does "Indicted" mean, I wonder?

Not sure - I'm no legal eagle.    I thought 'indictment' meant 'the charge'

[Eleanor]

Not sure - I'm no legal eagle.    I thought 'indictment' meant 'the charge'

Indicted does indeed mean Charged.  However, as you say, this could take forever.  If we ever get to hear about it at all.

[stephen25000]

It is a supreme irony of this case that those who loathe/despise/hate Amaral, always support the two parents who willfully and selfishly placed their eating and drinking over their children's welfare.

You could not make that up.

[Eleanor]

It is a supreme irony of this case that those who loathe/despise/hate Amaral, always support the two parents who willfully and selfishly placed their eating and drinking over their children's welfare.

You could not make that up.

You really don't get it, do you.  Or do you?

[AnneGuedes]

So why is that ?

That's where it all started. This is why Metodo3's contract was renewed in March 2008. 
No âmbito do seu trabalho com a agência Espanhola de detectives Método 3, agência contratada pelos pais da criança também raptada Madeleine McCann, o Advogado Marcos Aragão Correia, interessado pelas notáveis similitudes entre ambos os desaparecimentos, visita Leonor Cipriano, sendo que esta se queixa de João Grade dos Santos, afirmando que o mesmo sempre a ordenara para se manter calada.