Madeleine McCann...burglars don't steal children but do they??

[Lyall]

This thought occurred to me, and I think you will find that I have already asked this question.

We know that he was a convicted burglar, and a drug addict.  And he was in Praia de Luz that night when he didn't actually live there. 
So what was he up to when there are no reports of ordinary burglaries?

It must have been a burglar's night out, I guess.  Not.

That man is not involved, according to the Mail on January 3rd:

Yard detectives have dismissed the idea that a local man who died in a tractor accident four years ago was responsible for Madeleine’s disappearance.

No direct quote from the police there, but then there never is.

[pathfinder73]

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[jassi]

I feel that SY are placing rather to much faith in phone records providing the answers. Just because they have been useful in solving other crimes does not mean they will be of use in this one.

[Eleanor]

I feel that SY are placing rather to much faith in phone records providing the answers. Just because they have been useful in solving other crimes does not mean they will be of use in this one.

I don't really know.  But there have been vast and prolonged attempts to nail The McCanns and Friends by minute shredding of Phone Records.  So I can only suppose that some people think these are relevant.

[jassi]

I don't really know.  But there have been vast and prolonged attempts to nail The McCanns and Friends by minute shredding of Phone Records.  So I can only suppose that some people think these are relevant.

There may be some relevance with known phones of people who are actually serious suspects, as it may help to prove or disprove an alibi, but analysing general phone activity in the area seems a bit desperate to me.

[Eleanor]

There may be some relevance with known phones of people who are actually serious suspects, as it may help to prove or disprove an alibi, but analysing general phone activity in the area seems a bit desperate to me.

It seems perfectly logical to me.  A bunch of known burglars wandering around PdL at the right time on a given night, phoning each other numerous times while not actually committing burglaries.  But just when a child happens to go missing.  This would raise red flags for anyone.

And in case you are wondering how the Police know they are burglars, the Police will have their names and their criminal records, and all of their phone records.

Worth a few questions, don't you think?

[jassi]

It seems perfectly logical to me.  A bunch of known burglars wandering around PdL at the right time on a given night, phoning each other numerous times while not actually committing burglaries.  But just when a child happens to go missing.  This would raise red flags for anyone.

And in case you are wondering how the Police know they are burglars, the Police will have their names and their criminal records, and all of their phone records.

Worth a few questions, don't you think?

Certainly worth a go as they seem to have little else, but in my view almost certainly a complete red herring.

Other than a media report, there is no confirmation that SY are even looking at burglars, merely 3 people of interest.

[Lyall]

It seems perfectly logical to me.  A bunch of known burglars wandering around PdL at the right time on a given night, phoning each other numerous times while not actually committing burglaries.  But just when a child happens to go missing.  This would raise red flags for anyone.

And in case you are wondering how the Police know they are burglars, the Police will have their names and their criminal records, and all of their phone records.

Worth a few questions, don't you think?

Certainly worth a few newspaper front pages

(What happened to don't believe what they write in the papers?)

[Eleanor]

Certainly worth a go as they seem to have little else, but in my view almost certainly a complete red herring.

Other than a media report, there is no confirmation that SY are even looking at burglars, merely 3 people of interest.

Whatever the proclivities  these three people are, they were talking to each other numerous times in PdL on the night in question and at the right time.

This isn't difficult stuff.  Do you know how phone pings work?

[Eleanor]

Certainly worth a few newspaper front pages

(What happened to don't believe what they write in the papers?)

I am basing my comments on a knowledge of how satellite phones work.  It isn't rocket science.  Nothing to do with newspapers.  Just common sense.

Or would you rather just concentrate on The McCanns?

[Lyall]

I am basing my comments on a knowledge of how satellite phones work.  It isn't rocket science.  Nothing to do with newspapers.  Just common sense.

Or would you rather just concentrate on The McCanns?

I think most of us primarily asked why are the papers alerting these guys, and we got no answers to that. There were defensive cries of "I don't see Clarence Mitchell's name in these articles - do you?", but that was missing the point: why did the papers print these stories in the first place? What was the point of that wave of publicity?

[Lyall]

I am basing my comments on a knowledge of how satellite phones work.  It isn't rocket science.  Nothing to do with newspapers.  Just common sense.

Or would you rather just concentrate on The McCanns?

The police will proceed whichever way they decide to, but what's the point of all the accompanying publicity? That's what makes people doubt the importance of these so-called new prime suspects.

[Eleanor]

I think most of us primarily asked why are the papers alerting these guys, and we got no answers to that. There were defensive cries of "I don't see Clarence Mitchell's name in these articles - do you?", but that was missing the point: why did the papers print these stories in the first place? What was the point of that wave of publicity?

I don't know, Lyall.  Do you think they might run off?  Where do you think they will hide?

I very much doubt that they know where Madeleine is now.

Given a fairly comprehensive view of what happened and how, I believe it is very likely that Madeleine was stolen to order for adoption.
This isn't just a hope.  It is a fairly logical conclusion.  Although I also hope.

[John]

It seems perfectly logical to me.  A bunch of known burglars wandering around PdL at the right time on a given night, phoning each other numerous times while not actually committing burglaries.  But just when a child happens to go missing.  This would raise red flags for anyone.

And in case you are wondering how the Police know they are burglars, the Police will have their names and their criminal records, and all of their phone records.

Worth a few questions, don't you think?

They must have been invisible then Eleanor as everyone who was there described the streets as empty prior to 10pm.

I think there is quite a bit of grasping at straws going on, don't you?

[Wonderfulspam]

I don't know, Lyall.  Do you think they might run off?  Where do you think they will hide?

I very much doubt that they know where Madeleine is now.

Given a fairly comprehensive view of what happened and how, I believe it is very likely that Madeleine was stolen to order for adoption.
This isn't just a hope.  It is a fairly logical conclusion.  Although I also hope.

What makes you believe it very likely Madeleine was stolen to order for adoption?

Have there been many similar cases of children stolen to order in the region?