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Redblossom

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Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #195 on: January 25, 2014, 11:43:35 PM »
Sorry I was also talking about the parents. I was trying to say not all parents used buggies because McCanns didn't
Thats OK but
They didnt need them since they left their kids at home at night, no transportation needed whereas you would think parents bringing children home from the night creche to their ocean club apartments would use one and not carry them in their arms, whch makes both tannerman and smithman...at least from their spotted locations..... not carrying their kids frm the creche IMO...too far away JMO

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Offline Anna

Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #196 on: January 25, 2014, 11:48:39 PM »
Thats OK but
They didnt need them since they left their kids at home at night, no transporstion needed whereas yu woud thnk parents bringing children home from the night creche would use one and not carry them in their arms, whch makes both tannerman and smithman likely not carrying their kids frm the creche IMO

That is very true, so I wonder why these two men were carrying children or could they be the same person ?
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

AnneGuedes

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Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #197 on: January 25, 2014, 11:52:05 PM »
That is very true, so I wonder why these two men were carrying children or could they be the same person ?
Not the same person, trust DCI Redwood, SY !

AnneGuedes

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Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #198 on: January 25, 2014, 11:53:29 PM »
Sorry I was also talking about the parents. I was trying to say not all parents used buggies because McCanns didn't
They said they used buggies (likely borrowed to the OC) to go to the beach with the three kids.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #199 on: January 25, 2014, 11:55:52 PM »
True RB I think they rented them out, but I don't think the mcCanns had them as they carried Madeiline home when she was overtired on that fateful day
That's what only one parent said after 4 months.. Nobody corroborated.

Redblossom

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Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #200 on: January 25, 2014, 11:56:09 PM »
That is very true, so I wonder why these two men were carrying children or could they be the same person ?

Its not suspicious in itself to be carrying your child.....either of them could have been going or coming back from anywhere...a short or a longer distance....just because Maddie was found "missing" doesnt make all male carriers of children bloody suspects per sé.
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Offline Anna

Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #201 on: January 25, 2014, 11:56:36 PM »
Not the same person, trust DCI Redwood, SY !

OK I guess they know whats what, but it strikes me as very strange two men carrying children around the same time with no wife and no buggy! Oh well not to worry eh!
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
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AnneGuedes

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Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #202 on: January 25, 2014, 11:58:06 PM »
OK I guess they know whats what, but it strikes me as very strange two men carrying children around the same time with no wife and no buggy! Oh well not to worry eh!
Not the same time, if that might comfort you.

Redblossom

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Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #203 on: January 25, 2014, 11:59:37 PM »
OK I guess they know whats what, but it strikes me as very strange two men carrying children around the same time with no wife and no buggy! Oh well not to worry eh!

It was 45 minutes apart so not the same time


and there were several others taking their young children home on that night


LOl sorry cross posted

Nite all!!!
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #204 on: January 26, 2014, 12:25:52 AM »
True RB I think they rented them out, but I don't think the mcCanns had them as they carried Madeiline home when she was overtired on that fateful day

Overtired when Kate arrived? Maybe. She was fine that day - not overtired according to Cat Baker and DP at 6.30.

"On Thursday the 3rd of May 2007, I remember Gerry having accompanied Madeleine to the club between 9h15 and 9h20 in the morning. I do not remember who came to pick her up for lunch but after she returned in the afternoon for a dive/swim. These activities were realized with the other children. On this day I remember that we sailed and I saw friends of the McCanns on the beach, David and Jane. Around 14h45 Madeleine returned to the Minis Club on top of the reception but I do not remember who accompanied her. This afternoon we went swimming. Kate went to get Madeleine from the Tapas Bar area and according to what I remember she was wearing sporting clothes and I assumed that she was practicing some form of athletics.

I never noted anything strange in Madeleine's comportment during the time I stayed with her. There was one occasion, on Thursday, 3rd of May 2007, around 10H30 in the morning, where she cried at the launch of the yellow safety boat in the ocean where all the children were sailing. She was scared and fearful and cried on my lap "I am scared, I am scared."

We only used the launches to transport the children to the small yellow boats. When we returned to the other boat she was happy again. She sailed in the small boat and even though some children had the opportunity to return to the port, she stayed for a second time as she appeared to be having a good time. Jane Tanner's daughter also took part in my group and together they would play. Apart from being a happy child in the club, she always seemed very content when she saw her parents. Madeleine did not demonstrate any fear with the return launch to land.

Madeleine never mentioned that she had cried in the absence of her parents nor did she tell me anything of significance relating to feeling sad or something relevant that would cause me to worry." (Cat Baker)

DP: I walked up there, Kate was you know I say looking very relaxed and err I say a comment to her I said well crikey it’s early, early for them to be getting ready you know for bed, as I say she said ah no, I’ve had such a good, you know such a good day and afternoon err so you know, and Gerry’s just obviously finishing off playing tennis and err so you know hopefully try and get them down and as I say we were just, you know I, I know, it does sound bizarre but I just looked at the three of them and I couldn’t, you know they were just so well presented and so clean and immaculate it was, you know I was, and you know they just looked such healthy children, err you know. The children all looked extremely happy, there was no, you know signs of any problem. I’d be playing with Madeleine you know in the, err the play area err you know during that week, you know lifting her up, twizzing her round and everything, I knew her that well, you know, to do that, and as I say err she’d definitely know who I was and certainly, as I say, just to reinforce that she looked very happy.”

1485    ”Yeah. Was that the last time you saw Madeleine?”

Reply    ”It was.”

« Last Edit: January 26, 2014, 12:31:34 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Anna

Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #205 on: January 26, 2014, 12:42:21 AM »
Overtired when Kate arrived? Maybe. She was fine that day - not overtired according to Cat Baker and DP at 6.30.

"On Thursday the 3rd of May 2007, I remember Gerry having accompanied Madeleine to the club between 9h15 and 9h20 in the morning. I do not remember who came to pick her up for lunch but after she returned in the afternoon for a dive/swim. These activities were realized with the other children. On this day I remember that we sailed and I saw friends of the McCanns on the beach, David and Jane. Around 14h45 Madeleine returned to the Minis Club on top of the reception but I do not remember who accompanied her. This afternoon we went swimming. Kate went to get Madeleine from the Tapas Bar area and according to what I remember she was wearing sporting clothes and I assumed that she was practicing some form of athletics.

I never noted anything strange in Madeleine's comportment during the time I stayed with her. There was one occasion, on Thursday, 3rd of May 2007, around 10H30 in the morning, where she cried at the launch of the yellow safety boat in the ocean where all the children were sailing. She was scared and fearful and cried on my lap "I am scared, I am scared."

We only used the launches to transport the children to the small yellow boats. When we returned to the other boat she was happy again. She sailed in the small boat and even though some children had the opportunity to return to the port, she stayed for a second time as she appeared to be having a good time. Jane Tanner's daughter also took part in my group and together they would play. Apart from being a happy child in the club, she always seemed very content when she saw her parents. Madeleine did not demonstrate any fear with the return launch to land.

Madeleine never mentioned that she had cried in the absence of her parents nor did she tell me anything of significance relating to feeling sad or something relevant that would cause me to worry." (Cat Baker)

DP: I walked up there, Kate was you know I say looking very relaxed and err I say a comment to her I said well crikey it’s early, early for them to be getting ready you know for bed, as I say she said ah no, I’ve had such a good, you know such a good day and afternoon err so you know, and Gerry’s just obviously finishing off playing tennis and err so you know hopefully try and get them down and as I say we were just, you know I, I know, it does sound bizarre but I just looked at the three of them and I couldn’t, you know they were just so well presented and so clean and immaculate it was, you know I was, and you know they just looked such healthy children, err you know. The children all looked extremely happy, there was no, you know signs of any problem. I’d be playing with Madeleine you know in the, err the play area err you know during that week, you know lifting her up, twizzing her round and everything, I knew her that well, you know, to do that, and as I say err she’d definitely know who I was and certainly, as I say, just to reinforce that she looked very happy.”

1485    ”Yeah. Was that the last time you saw Madeleine?”

Reply    ”It was.”

Sorry about that. I felt sure that I read somewhere that she was tired and had to be carried back to the apartment and in the patio doors while dad went in the main door with the babies... Guess I got it wrong. I will check again
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #206 on: January 26, 2014, 12:45:54 AM »
Sorry about that. I felt sure that I read somewhere that she was tired and had to be carried back to the apartment and in the patio doors while dad went in the main door with the babies... Guess I got it wrong. I will check again

Please don't apologise as you're correct. That is what Kate said but maybe she was in fact tired after just finishing her run. I think the dogs got Madeleine's walking back from the tapas trail the next day around the path.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #207 on: January 26, 2014, 12:49:44 AM »
It is a little worrying that SY on crimewatch make no mention of geography re JT's sighting. Mr Redwood has been to PDL. Has he actually walked the route from night creche to innocentman's apartment?

I worked out apartment number of innocentman, not definite but good chance it correct. Sorry not giving apartment number because it give identity and I do not agree with the predatory nature of part of the UK press, but based on this location, and assuming innocent man was coming from the night creche near 24hrrecepion near Rua Direita........

(A) If he goes direct to apartment, he does NOT pass through the T junction JT saw him, however he DOES possibly pass within view of JT's route, in a different place, a little earlier on JT's route.

(B) If he takes a circuitous route so that he ends up heading eastwards into the T junction as described by JT, his most direct route home from that T junction is to turn RIGHT (South) at that T junction, towards JT and GM and JW.

Offline Anna

Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #208 on: January 26, 2014, 12:50:20 AM »
Please don't apologise as you're correct. That is what Kate said but maybe she was in fact tired after just finishing her run. I think the dogs got Madeleine's walking back from the tapas trail the next day around the path.

That's right, they(dogs) ended up at D block
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #209 on: January 26, 2014, 12:53:03 AM »
That's right, they(dogs) ended up at D block

I know one crossed the road from the lamp post and went to the door/gate entrance that leads into the tapas but it was shut and was sniffing there.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.