Innocentman came forward in 2007!

[AnneGuedes]

If none of these questionnaires is in the PJ Files, it means they weren't sent.
We know that the LC (thanks, John, for informing they are the LP now) used to analyse  statements before sending them to the PJ. This is even how and only how we know that the Paynes completed questionnaires that aren't in the files (for some reason both had been interviewed only once by the PJ).
Why would the then LC send questionnaires that they found had no relevance in the case ?
DCI Redwood needed to get rid of Tannerman and found Innocentman to play his part. He was in the proximity of the G5 (he actually went up Francisco GM, but let's be vague), more or less at the right time, coming not from far if not from close by, having a child in pyjamas (good point !)  and wrapped in a blanket (bad point, let's forget it), a dark jacket (fine !), beige jeans (marvellous !) and black hair (sh.. curly!) and, yes, eventually he would cradle his child in his arms.
All details that made the LC decide he wasn't the one.

The questionnaires, the LC Files (that the McCanns wanted so much to have), it has been discussed a few months back...

[AnneGuedes]

Agreed. I'm not claiming the police are infallible, but I find it hard to believe that they don't have very, very good reasons for dismissing Tannerman.

The LC's and PJ's reasons are the very same.
The PJ thought that taking Tannerman out of the picture or identifying him  required a previous reconstitution.
DCI Redwood identified him in order to clear up the picture before calling the cameras

[Carana]

The PJ couldn't possibly interview all the guests of the OC on the Saturday morning before they left. They had to leave and go on with their life in the UK. If you look into the first volumes of the Files and check the list of guests (not only MW but Thomas Cook), you'll observe that most of them weren't interviewed in Portugal.
It was part of the police cooperation that the LC, as it is said in the article, sent questionnaires to possible witnesses. It is common practice and the PJ would have done it, had those people be able to stay in PDL.
The LC sent also questionnaires to JW and BOD and to Mr and Mrs Payne in particular. Don't ask me why the Payne questionnaires aren't in the PJ Files, I might have an idea but I don't know.
Now, no, there's no PJ file saying that when the questionnaire wasn't relevant, it wasn't sent to the PJ. I just deduce this because there's no questionnaire of a father using the night creche in the PJ Files.
Sometimes the LC recorded statements and didn't forward them to the PJ. Don't ask me why they took 6 months to send the Gaspar statements, I've no idea.

I haven't been able to establish what "questionnaires" were sent from whom to whom aside from the rogs, and a few interviews which may have resulted from people contacting the police themselves, who were subsequently interviewed, before any rogs were actually sent. Could you help to clarify with links to relevant pages?

[AnneGuedes]

I haven't been able to establish what "questionnaires" were sent from whom to whom aside from the rogs, and a few interviews which may have resulted from people contacting the police themselves, who were subsequently interviewed, before any rogs were actually sent. Could you help to clarify with links to relevant pages?

Sorry, Carana, I've no access to the LC Files. You are free to apply, though, they say that within some conditions they may answer.
Can't you understand that the LC , not the PJ, elaborated the questionnaires ?
It has nothing to do with the rogs, which were questions of the PJ that were then processed and organized by the LC as they liked it.
If the PJ had established the questionnaires for the TC and MW guests, they had to send them as LOR. Too much time.

[Carana]

Sorry, Carana, I've no access to the LC Files. You are free to apply, though, they say that within some conditions they may answer.
Can't you understand that the LC , not the PJ, elaborated the questionnaires ?
It has nothing to do with the rogs, which were questions of the PJ that were then processed and organized by the LC as they liked it.
If the PJ had established the questionnaires for the TC and MW guests, they had to send them as LOR. Too much time.

I don't have access, either. What is the basis of your knowledge that the LC established "questionnaires", aside from my questions above?

I'm aware that CEOP invited people to send in any potentially significant photos; that a few people were interviewed back in the UK, but not how this occurred: did this go beyond the occasional interview as a result of people having contacted the UK police?

I'm not sure where this idea of "questionnaire" sent out by the UK police at the time to everyone who might have been there comes from.

[AnneGuedes]

I don't have access, either. What is the basis of your knowledge that the LC established "questionnaires", aside from my questions above?

I'm aware that CEOP invited people to send in any potentially significant photos; that a few people were interviewed back in the UK, but not how this occurred: did this go beyond the occasional interview as a result of people having contacted the UK police?

I'm not sure where this idea of "questionnaire" sent out by the UK police at the time to everyone who might have been there comes from.

Consider for instance the questionnaires sent to both Paynes, answered by them and analysed by the LC. As they were suppressed from the PJ Files, we can't know whether the whole completed questionnaires were sent to the PJ or just the analysis.
We don't know as well if those questioning was suggested by the PJ.  Likely not. It might be an initiative of the LC and be related to the Gaspar statements. This would explain that the LC requested the suppression of the analysis or questionnaires, they didn't really belong to the PJ Files.
They forgot that they exchanged letters and e-mails that are in the Files.. That's how we know the existence of the Payne questionnaires.

The LOR case is totally different. The questions are elaborated by the foreign police on the basis of the questions contained in the LOR. The investigating police is present and regularly asked if they have other questions or remarks, and the whole session, not an analysis of the session, is recorded and transcribed. It belongs to the investigating police.

The interviews that the PJ possibly did on behalf of the recent LOR belong to SY, not to the PJ.

[Carana]

Consider for instance the questionnaires sent to both Paynes, answered by them and analysed by the LC. As they were suppressed from the PJ Files, we can't know whether the whole completed questionnaires were sent to the PJ or just the analysis.
We don't know as well if those questioning was suggested by the PJ.  Likely not. It might be an initiative of the LC and be related to the Gaspar statements. This would explain that the LC requested the suppression of the analysis or questionnaires, they didn't really belong to the PJ Files.
They forgot that they exchanged letters and e-mails that are in the Files.. That's how we know the existence of the Payne questionnaires.

The LOR case is totally different. The questions are elaborated by the foreign police on the basis of the questions contained in the LOR. The foreign police is present and regularly asked if they have other questions or remarks, and the whole session, not an analysis of the session, is recorded and transcribed. It belongs to the foreign police.

The interviews that the PJ possibly did on behalf of the recent LOR belong to SY, not to the PJ.

I still don't understand, I'm afraid. What is in the files about "questionnaires" sent by the LP to anyone, beyond what I'd posted just above?

If you're referring to Mick Marshall's email... what was he referring to? A PT statement that had been googletranslated for him or something else?

The original has changes of fonts... was this done on a typewriter?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P13/13_VOLUME_XIIIa_Page_3909.jpg

[AnneGuedes]

I still don't understand, I'm afraid. What is in the files about "questionnaires" sent by the LP to anyone, beyond what I'd posted just above?

If you're referring to Mick Marshall's email... what was he referring to? A PT statement that had been googletranslated for him or something else?

The original has changes of fonts... was this done on a typewriter?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P13/13_VOLUME_XIIIa_Page_3909.jpg

I don't understand, I'm afraid.
Do you know an article where an ex-po claims that questions must be asked about Innocentman popping up after 6 years ?
I'd like very much that, but I don't believe questions will be asked.

Yes I'm referring to that PO. It is very clear to what he's referring : the Payne questionnaires that Paiva is supposed to have received with the Gaspar statements.

I don't understand the change of fonts issue. Is it really an issue ? Why ?

The Paynes were interviewed only once (Mrs Payne was interviewed a second time but only on the Murat issue).
The questionnaires substitute a second interview. Don't ask me why, in the rogs, the Paynes weren't questioned on their strange answers in the questionnaires.

[AnneGuedes]

@ Carana
Do you suggest that the PJ suppressed the questionnaires sent by the LC in order to pretend they never received them and not to be accused of incompetence regarding Innocentman, 6 years later ?

[Carana]

@ Carana
Do you suggest that the PJ suppressed the questionnaires sent by the LC in order to pretend they never received them and not to be accused of incompetence regarding Innocentman, 6 years later ?

As I haven't a clue which "questionnaires" you're referring to in the files, I find that hard to answer.

[AnneGuedes]

As I haven't a clue which "questionnaires" you're referring to in the files, I find that hard to answer.

That's an answer !
 

[Sherlock Holmes]

As I haven't a clue which "questionnaires" you're referring to in the files, I find that hard to answer.

To be honest I don't understand either.

Perhaps Anne can spell out what these 'questionnaires' were.

Were they a uniform set of documents sent out systematically to potential witnesses, or are we simply talking about odd letters in the files documenting information pertaining to certain people?

[AnneGuedes]

To be honest I don't understand either.

Perhaps Anne can spell out what these 'questionnaires' were.

Were they a uniform set of documents sent out systematically to potential witnesses, or are we simply talking about odd letters in the files documenting information pertaining to certain people?

I wish I could say that the PJ received the written statements in English of all the TC and MW guests who had to leave on the 5th, translated them  or not, read them or not and finally put them in the bin (since they aren't in the PJ Files), but there's nothing to support this, sorry.

Why don't you petition for the LC to open its files ?
Then some questions will have an answer.
For instance the Payne contradictory statements.

DCI Redwood didn't reveal how he came upon Innocentman and certainly didn't suggest that Innocentman had finally, miraculously, stepped forward.
Guess how that happened !

[Sherlock Holmes]

I wish I could say that the PJ received the written statements in English of all the TC and MW guests who had to leave on the 5th, translated them  or not, read them or not and finally put them in the bin (since they aren't in the PJ Files), but there's nothing to support this, sorry.

Why don't you petition for the LC to open its files ?
Then some questions will have an answer.
For instance the Payne contradictory statements.

DCI Redwood didn't reveal how he came upon Innocentman and certainly didn't suggest that Innocentman had finally, miraculously, stepped forward.
Guess how that happened !

No, interestingly, he said  ' man has come forward' - but didn't say when. He picks his words carefully.

[Redblossom]

No, interestingly, he said  ' man has come forward' - but didn't say when. He picks his words carefully.

I dont think he said that, anyway dont understand all the confusion about the questionnaires, its in the OP, LP did them with people staying at the resort at the time...what they did with those questionnaires is unknown