Innocentman came forward in 2007!

[jassi]

I dont think he said that, anyway dont understand all the confusion about the questionnaires, its in the OP, LP did them with people staying at the resort at the time...what they did with those questionnaires is unknown

Maybe 'Stu' sent them to his friends 

[Redblossom]

Maybe 'Stu' sent them to his friends 

Then he would be corrupt and perverting the course of justice

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/editors-picks/madeleine-mccann-bungling-police-prime-2965027

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-anyone-saying-were-2965383

All a bit of a dogs dinner as usual....Ive lost count of the number of times people have said they sent stuff to the Pj and nothing was done....excuses and lies and spin  wear a bit thin at the end of the day, yawn....about tme there was some real straight talking in this case but I just seen a pig fly

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[Sherlock Holmes]

I am wondering what the source of this information is, namely that bundleman appears to have come forward in 2007. The articles we are dealing with are from December 2012 - 2 months after Crimewatch.

Normally CM gets the blame for this kind of thing but he can hardly be accused of this one.

What other sources of leaks are there and why would this information be being leaked anyway?

[Sherlock Holmes]

I am wondering what the source of this information is, namely that bundleman appears to have come forward in 2007. The articles we are dealing with are from December 2012 - 2 months after Crimewatch.

Normally CM gets the blame for this kind of thing but he can hardly be accused of this one.

What other sources of leaks are there and why would this information be being leaked anyway?

I have a feeling that this is possibly a press invention. Amaral wanted to diminish the Tanner sighting and if Tannerman had come forward in 2007 then this would have been perfect. Of course, perhaps those 'questionnaires' did not reach the PJ.

Nonetheless it is important to try to find a source for this information. The question of why innocentman did not react to the fact that the Tanner sighting and sketch were being actively promoted for several years after he came forward remains to be answered.

[Eleanor]

I am simply not convinced, mainly because the direction was wrong.  The door could always be explained by a draft, but what was he doing walking up a busy main road some distance from The Creche when there was a much shorter route?. But anything in the direction he was going is even closer to The Creche.
I suppose that knowing where he was going might help.

Something odd is going on about this.  It just doesn't make sense.

[Lyall]

I am simply not convinced, mainly because the direction was wrong.  The door could always be explained by a draft, but what was he doing walking up a busy main road some distance from The Creche when there was a much shorter route?. But anything in the direction he was going is even closer to The Creche.
I suppose that knowing where he was going might help.

Something odd is going on about this.  It just doesn't make sense.

What has made sense since 2007? Why was there such effort to concentrate on 9.15? You say "the door could always be explained by a draft" but that was never considered a possibility by press or TM previously. 9.15 man may have been an innocent local/tourist, but that was never considered a possibility either.

The entire coverage of the case has been odd since the very beginning, and maybe now you are understanding a little why people asked so many questions?

[Eleanor]

What has made sense since 2007? Why was there such effort to concentrate on 9.15? You say "the door could always be explained by a draft" but that was never considered a possibility by press or TM previously. 9.15 man may have been an innocent local/tourist, but that was never considered a possibility either.

The entire coverage of the case has been odd since the very beginning, and maybe now you are understanding a little why people asked so many questions?

Not really.  I have always known that The McCanns could not possibly have done what they have been accused of.  Logistically it was impossible.

I would like to know where this man had come from and where he was going because at the moment it doesn't make sense.  But this is not my right to be told.

But anyway, I don't think it really matters if either of these men were involved.  It isn't going to prove anything about where Madeleine was eventually taken.  Or where she is now.
I have never had any need to prove to you that Madeleine was abducted.

[pathfinder73]

I am simply not convinced, mainly because the direction was wrong.  The door could always be explained by a draft, but what was he doing walking up a busy main road some distance from The Creche when there was a much shorter route?. But anything in the direction he was going is even closer to The Creche.
I suppose that knowing where he was going might help.

Something odd is going on about this.  It just doesn't make sense.

That path was the route Gerry would have taken if he was spotted at 10.15 by Robert Murat's house. The short cut path from the crèche leads straight up to Murat's house where he was allegedly spotted by Neil Berry / Raj Balu at 10.15pm on the night. But those first statements are missing from the files.

[Eleanor]

That path was the route Gerry would have taken if he was spotted at 10.15 by Robert Murat's house. The short cut path from the crèche leads straight up to Murat's house where he was allegedly spotted by Neil Berry / Raj Balu at 10.15pm on the night. But those first statements are missing from the files.

Gerry was spotted at 10.15 by Robert Murat's house carrying a child?  That's a new one.  Was Gerry coming or going to The Night Creche, wherein Madeleine never was?

Oh, I get it.  While everyone was running around Praia da Luz looking for a missing child, Gerry was hot footing to the beach long after The Smiths had gotten home.
This is always a possibility, I suppose.

Sorry, I can't help you with missing statements.  But how would you know if these statements are missing?

[jassi]

Gerry was spotted at 10.15 by Robert Murat's house carrying a child?  That's a new one.  Was Gerry coming or going to The Night Creche, wherein Madeleine never was?

Oh, I get it.  While everyone was running around Praia da Luz looking for a missing child, Gerry was hot footing to the beach long after The Smiths had gotten home.
This is always a possibility, I suppose.

Sorry, I can't help you with missing statements. But how would you know if these statements are missing?

Good question.

[pathfinder73]

Gerry was spotted at 10.15 by Robert Murat's house carrying a child?  That's a new one.  Was Gerry coming or going to The Night Creche, wherein Madeleine never was?

Oh, I get it.  While everyone was running around Praia da Luz looking for a missing child, Gerry was hot footing to the beach long after The Smiths had gotten home.
This is always a possibility, I suppose.

Sorry, I can't help you with missing statements.  But how would you know if these statements are missing?

Gerry was not with Madeleine when allegedly spotted near to Murat's. It's easy to get there from the church - you follow Rua Direita and turn left on to the path next to the crèche which takes you straight up to Murat's. Gerry mentioned that he went to the crèche in his first searches but nobody remembers seeing him there but he may have been close to it. The files are missing. Their second statements are in the files.

"From 22.00 onwards all the events that took place were already described in my previous statement of 7th May 2007 and i cannot add any further information, other than that which was already added." (Neil Berry)

[Eleanor]

Good question.

Thanks, Jassi.  Let's at least have some common sense about this.

[Eleanor]

Gerry was not with Madeleine when allegedly spotted near to Murat's. It's easy to get there from the church - you follow Rua Direita and turn left on to the path next to the crèche which takes you straight up to Murat's. Gerry mentioned that he went to the crèche in his first searches but nobody remembers seeing him there but he may have been close to it. The files are missing. Their second statements are in the files.

"From 22.00 onwards all the events that took place were already described in my previous statement of 7th May 2007 and i cannot add any further information, other than that which was already added." (Neil Berry)

 So Gerry was just searching.  Like wot they said he never did.

What Files are missing?  Jeezuz.  How many Files have gone missing?  Only The PJ could have done that.

[jassi]

So Gerry was just searching.  Like wot they said he never did.

What Files are missing?  Jeezuz.  How many Files have gone missing?  Only The PJ could have done that.

I think he did 5 or 10 minutes at the beginning and after that left it to others

[pathfinder73]

 So Gerry was just searching.  Like wot they said he never did.

What Files are missing?  Jeezuz.  How many Files have gone missing?  Only The PJ could have done that.

Their first statements are not missing, they haven't been released for reasons unknown like many others. Gerry was always outside with the rest of the men in the first searches. He was the one that said "Let's all split up and find her" according to Russell. Any of the men could be Smithman because they are out and about when he was spotted.